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Subject: newbie needs 2-step beat help
Original Message 1/19 14-Jan-05 @ 04:51 AM - newbie needs 2-step beat help
I've reviewed the posts here and some of the files but I'm still looking for info to get me started. I just want to start with the basic 2-step (boom cha boom-cha) beat but I cannot figure it out.
Many of the beats here which say "2-step" have snares on 2&4 but I think a basic 2-step has one or more snares in different places. But I am just getting into this some maybe I am missing something...
Any advice appreciated.
Message 2/19 14-Jan-05 @ 10:50 AM - RE: newbie needs 2-step beat help
File?: No file
believe it or not, its a page showing newbies how to program various 2step beats
Message 3/19 14-Jan-05 @ 12:28 PM - RE: newbie needs 2-step beat help
Thanks milan btw...
I did review that site before posting but those beats are primarily backbeats though the grime beat has claps on the threes so I guess it is what you'd call half-time. If there is such a thing as THE traditional 2-step, I am still looking.
Message 4/19 15-Jan-05 @ 06:29 AM - RE: newbie needs 2-step beat help
But from what I think I know about it, it's fast innit. That would be called double time.
The basic backbeat with a snare on 2 and 4 is normal time. A backbeat with a snare on every 3 would be halftime. Doubletime would put the snare on the "ands". See the diagram.
(at least, these are the terms I use with studio drummers with relatively universal agreement)
So wouldn't a doubltimed basic backbeat give you a basic two-step beat?
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Message 9/19 15-Jan-05 @ 06:58 AM - RE: newbie needs 2-step beat help
Thanks but the beat(s) have a disjointed feel - not simply double time I believe. The snares seem to be displaced in some manner and of course they are sped up a lot. I'm thinking Hardstep stuff like Dred Bass "Technology"
In any case I'd like to start with confirmation of THE traditional two step pattern [if there is such a thing] and start improvising from there.
Any specific help would be great
Message 10/19 15-Jan-05 @ 07:11 AM - RE: newbie needs 2-step beat help
Most of today's groundbreaking hip-hop producers are straying from the old-school mentality of sampling a beat from a record and looping it as the basis of the rhythm track. Producers like Timbaland are going to the next level by removing snare and kick drums from the downbeat and making them more syncopated.
Keep an eighth-note or quarter-note hi-hat as the source of the downbeat and have the kick and a bass sound follow each other. Now program the snare to rush the first backbeat, then pick up the second backbeat, as in Example 4. A second hi-hat or shaker with a shuffle type feel will help push the beat as well.
This style also carries over to two-step UK garage, a hot new genre that evolved from speed garage and also took some tricks from drum 'n' bass. The concept is simple: Start off with a standard four-on-the-floor kick and add a hat and snare pattern using a heavy swing quantize percentage, around 65-70%, as in Example 5. Next, change the kick pattern to push the snare and give the beat a "skipping around" sort of feel, as if it's toying with the idea of staying on the downbeat but it keeps changing its mind. The rests on the downbeats of bars 1 and 3 in Example 6 show the idea. You can also have a second, shorter snare sample playing off the hat and snare. Track the snare pattern in Example 7 on top of the beat in Example 6.
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