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Subject: Nasty A5000 bug
Original Message 1/34 04-Apr-00 @ 03:36 PM - Nasty A5000 bug
Just reporting on a nasty bug that happened to me tonight. I was copying the real drum CD that comes with the sampler to a 8 gb EIDE harddrive. After a while the sampler puked out "disk is full or to many itmes" or something like that. To many items? What? I mean an ordinary file system doesnt run out of items, it runs out of diskspace! But here is the bad thing: The partition i copied to is empty and renamed! This isnt the only bug ive found out. Sometimes during copy from CD to HD it just hangs.
I just HATE the Yamaha filesystem!!!
Why the F**K cant they use a filesystem like DOS where the limit isnt 1 gb and where home PC users can copy files A5000 <-> PC without to much fuzz???
I just HATE the file system!
Nice getting that out of my chest...
/SwampMan
I just HATE the Yamaha filesystem!!!
Why the F**K cant they use a filesystem like DOS where the limit isnt 1 gb and where home PC users can copy files A5000 <-> PC without to much fuzz???
I just HATE the file system!
Nice getting that out of my chest...
/SwampMan
Message 2/34 05-Apr-00 @ 03:49 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug
oh noooo... not the dreaded Yamaha disk controller problems again... i think you might be better off getting 2 old akai's or rolands or a new emu
Message 3/34 05-Apr-00 @ 04:21 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug
This is an old known bug? Damn. Have to get rid of it then.
Considering a E6400 or S5000. I'm a bit concerned though. I've heard that th FX ar totaly crap on the EMUs and that S5000 are bad seed. Your opinion Kilo?
Now I have no qlue!
Hmmm... Have to sleep on this!
ZZZZzzzzzzzz.....
/Swamp
Considering a E6400 or S5000. I'm a bit concerned though. I've heard that th FX ar totaly crap on the EMUs and that S5000 are bad seed. Your opinion Kilo?
Now I have no qlue!
Hmmm... Have to sleep on this!
ZZZZzzzzzzzz.....
/Swamp
Message 4/34 05-Apr-00 @ 10:28 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug
a3k here, hell of problematic file system with scsi as a sort of afterthought, whose correction i thought was the a5k's raison d'etre. Seems like they painted 5's on their old shitty flawed architecture, and thought they'd have a winner. I might suggest an a3k for way less, nearly same functionality, and using the change somewhere else in your set up. Yam looks like they are trying hard, but all of their new stuff seems to have a near FATAL flaw based mainly on cutting corners or general cheepieness.
If you can, try to take your unit back to where youy bought it and demand your money back. I have done this with several large purchases lately, and I know it sends a message not to manufacturer, but to retailer, where it is more effective. As retailers hate to see kinda high priced units coming back, and therefore will more actively push alternate brands, which DOES come across to manufacturers.
But then every manufacturer's entry into this arena seems to have its own achilles something or other. Be it effects, limited mod matrix, lack of additional outputs, or the price of upgradeability, fucking file system, poor scsi implemantation ect...
uts been said that doesn't matter what you get, your gonna have some major grips, and somethings which you'll love. But I dont take it in bum if i think manufacturer is giving it to me.
If you can, try to take your unit back to where youy bought it and demand your money back. I have done this with several large purchases lately, and I know it sends a message not to manufacturer, but to retailer, where it is more effective. As retailers hate to see kinda high priced units coming back, and therefore will more actively push alternate brands, which DOES come across to manufacturers.
But then every manufacturer's entry into this arena seems to have its own achilles something or other. Be it effects, limited mod matrix, lack of additional outputs, or the price of upgradeability, fucking file system, poor scsi implemantation ect...
uts been said that doesn't matter what you get, your gonna have some major grips, and somethings which you'll love. But I dont take it in bum if i think manufacturer is giving it to me.
Message 5/34 06-Apr-00 @ 01:18 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug
Just got an response from Yamaha. They are going to look in to the bug.
Lets see what happens.
/Swamp
Lets see what happens.
/Swamp
Message 6/34 06-Apr-00 @ 05:09 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug
Early days yet, look at the mess Akai got in with the S5000 and S6000 it took over 12 months to get that fixed.
The effects configuration possibilities are much better on the A5000 than the A3000 or Yamaha's competitors. The problem with the A3000 effects is that you can only route a sample to one effect block and only if you send the dry sound to any output other than main.
On the plus side you can route the effects output to any physical output.
Does anyone know if they have improved the output expansion board. The A3000 extra outputs are very quiet and noisy even when you've optimised the mixer gain structure.
The effects configuration possibilities are much better on the A5000 than the A3000 or Yamaha's competitors. The problem with the A3000 effects is that you can only route a sample to one effect block and only if you send the dry sound to any output other than main.
On the plus side you can route the effects output to any physical output.
Does anyone know if they have improved the output expansion board. The A3000 extra outputs are very quiet and noisy even when you've optimised the mixer gain structure.
Message 7/34 07-Apr-00 @ 03:34 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug
After calming down I have to say that I still love my A5000.
Its an awesome machine.
/SwampMan
Its an awesome machine.
/SwampMan
Message 8/34 12-Apr-00 @ 05:14 AM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug
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I can't believe they haven't fixed that bug after what 2 nearly 3 years?
That was one of the main gripes with os1 and I was shocked when it didn't fix it with os2.
Some guy in some office sat there and made a decision "we won't upgrade the disk os to a more compatible and suitable one, because this would enhance it's capeabilities, also we will keep the importing of wav's to one at a time.. We don't want users spending time writing tunes now do we."
prick.
That was one of the main gripes with os1 and I was shocked when it didn't fix it with os2.
Some guy in some office sat there and made a decision "we won't upgrade the disk os to a more compatible and suitable one, because this would enhance it's capeabilities, also we will keep the importing of wav's to one at a time.. We don't want users spending time writing tunes now do we."
prick.
Message 9/34 13-Apr-00 @ 11:06 AM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug
This is the response from Yamaha:
"Too many items" apears when the total number of samples/sample bunks
which can be saved to disk has been exceeded.
In case you save only "sample"s, here are limitations (in one partition).
All stereo approx. 1670 items
All mono approx. 2500 items
(If stereo and mono are mixed, limitation may be around the middle.)
But as a matter of fact, the limitation is variable depends on conditions,
for example, the number of programs, the number of sample bunks, or if the sample is applied loop divide or not, etc. In such case, limitation will vary. You can save more items
than that of above mentined condition. Above qty is considered as the worst
case.
/SwampMan
"Too many items" apears when the total number of samples/sample bunks
which can be saved to disk has been exceeded.
In case you save only "sample"s, here are limitations (in one partition).
All stereo approx. 1670 items
All mono approx. 2500 items
(If stereo and mono are mixed, limitation may be around the middle.)
But as a matter of fact, the limitation is variable depends on conditions,
for example, the number of programs, the number of sample bunks, or if the sample is applied loop divide or not, etc. In such case, limitation will vary. You can save more items
than that of above mentined condition. Above qty is considered as the worst
case.
/SwampMan
Message 10/34 13-Apr-00 @ 06:05 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug
hmm.. methinks i can smell something ?... moooooo... i dunno, all i do know is this is the main problem reported with yammy samplers... disk save read write problems.. and yes i've heard the same stories of lost hours of sampling time... my mate went thru 3 floppy drives to arrive at a 4th which worked, i dunno... emu?... in the end i guess the old way still works best.. seperate outs, a mixer and some outboard.. it's what all your hero's use trust me... the sadness of it all is, that when it works, the a-series CAN produce a whole track, i've heard it with my own ears... i'd get back to yamaha, and start doing some table-banging, cos this sounds like moo-poo to me - like sure ok, you exceeded the object limit fine... so wheres all the other fucking samples gone then !!!!! - ah.. it wasnt like this when the Japs ran the company.. now it's a USA corp money run thing.. with according results... moooooo!! - man, if the jap's take on board US business tactic's it'll be the biggest fucking mistake they ever made in their nations history
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