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Original Message 1/41 18-Dec-01 @ 02:32 AM - Are new synths boring !!

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this and other synth forums are quite quiet. personaly nothing much has happened to excite me for a while hardware wise since the indie houses established themselves over the mid 90's- do you think synths now are getting boring?

is it lack of imagination? - or have the manufacturers really just exhausted practical new forms of combinations or new angles for established synthesis?

if there is nothing left to be 'new' in the way VA or FM or Romplers were, then whats left for manufacturers such as korg, roland, e-mu, ensonique, yamaha etc...

some cool little bargain boxes have come like the ER & ES from korg... any other nominations for cool reent/new stuff?

or.. si this a symptom of updatable OS's?.. another angle.

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Message 2/41 18-Dec-01 @ 04:45 AM - RE: Are new synths boring !!

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personally the more I look at softsynths (many of which are sub $100) the more these damn boxes look overpriced

dont tell anyone I said that though

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Message 3/41 18-Dec-01 @ 11:32 AM - RE: Are new synths boring !!

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happily milking the market i'm sure. doubt the big boys are going to invest all their precious money in developing anyhting edgy on the digital front when some little boy could come along and develop something similar or superior w/o the huge r+d development fee.

analog just isn't faddish neough right now for the big companies to do the right thing. yo quiero quality analog device.

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Message 4/41 18-Dec-01 @ 08:44 PM - RE: Are new synths boring !!

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well, alesis gave it a shot and R&D'd themselves into chapter 11. not just that andromeda thing, but it couldn't have helped. hasn't the VA-music fad passed a bit, as well?

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Message 5/41 19-Dec-01 @ 04:02 AM - RE: Are new synths boring !!

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new digital synths are boring for sure and va synths arent doing anything new anymore really.

it seems like (real) analog devices (not just synths) are coming back into the spotlight.

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Message 6/41 20-Dec-01 @ 07:22 PM - RE: Are new synths boring !!

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What about the Nord Lead III, which is blending FM and VA technologies? Why haven't we seen more analog-style machines that work on samples? Not ROMplers, but something that'd allow you to do things like FM one sample with another? Or a sampler that could interpolate between a set of samples, so your sound could morph between them?

There's still lots of good ideas out there

-Craig

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Message 7/41 02-Jan-02 @ 08:44 PM - RE: Are new synths boring !!

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interpolating between a set of samples so that your sound can morph? that's a microwave XT

it also sounds a bit like a wavestation maybe, with vectoring between samples? i would imagine many samplers can do something similar with layers. transwaves (like on the very cheap these days ensoniq asr-x) can do similar things too as the XT.

FMing samples with each other has been around since the TG77 afaik, though i've never tried it... at least i know it lets you use its internal samples as operators withing an FM construct....

really there isn't very much that hasn't been done, especially if you include reaktor in that equation... for $300 there isn't a whole lot it can't do (though i still think that digital FM and feedback etc. still don't sound like an analog equivalent).

we haven't even exhausted the ones we have... FM is a very interesting model (i will have an fs1r one day), but too often people buy tx81zs just to use the lately bass preset. i turn on my xt, and most of the factory patches are basses, strings, analog-style leads....??? why? i have an analog machine. this machine is quite unique in architecture and all we want to do is emulate analog sounds? and additive - why would you buy a k5000s to make a 303 sound??

now, i can understand starting with something you know in order to use the unique capabilities of the instrument to 'bend' it away from what you know, in ways the emulated instrument can't (like doing additive piano emulations, then cross-pollinating with a cymbal emulation or something). but i just don't hear it often. then again i'm just as lazy so who am i to talk

(then again, i haven't bought anything new since 1993...)

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Message 8/41 04-Jan-02 @ 03:56 PM - RE: Are new synths boring !!

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Well, give me a few years, but I'm an electrical engineer, hitting grad school in a year, specializing in DSP, and I got an idea that no-one's done yet...

think I'm gonna tell you?

FAB

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Message 9/41 04-Jan-02 @ 10:41 PM - RE: Are new synths boring !!

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nope...

- just make sure it has an expresso maker attatchment tho ! - that's what i want

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Message 10/41 05-Jan-02 @ 02:58 AM - RE: Are new synths boring !!

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the wavestation has like a sort of multi-step envelope which clocks to midi too, each step can be fixed for length and what raw root sample wave is in it... plus other stuff to do with levels etc per step

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