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Subject: discussion over fire and beer
Original Message 1/38 20-Feb-03 @ 05:13 AM - discussion over fire and beer
okay...for one...i never trust a man who doesn't drink a beer now and then.
ah...screw politics but we know bush couldn't handle his so he became a mad bible thumper and...now the avowed NEXT bomb and missile dropper...
talk about ancient enemies.....those who can't trust the honest swagger of the tongue versus the age-old rehtorical bs of greed in the guise of propriety.
hey psy! you told me!
now don't leave me hangin>
ah...screw politics but we know bush couldn't handle his so he became a mad bible thumper and...now the avowed NEXT bomb and missile dropper...
talk about ancient enemies.....those who can't trust the honest swagger of the tongue versus the age-old rehtorical bs of greed in the guise of propriety.
hey psy! you told me!
now don't leave me hangin>
Message 2/38 20-Feb-03 @ 05:22 AM - RE: discussion over fire and beer
Degreed (cum laude) from the University of Confusion.
Message 3/38 20-Feb-03 @ 05:23 AM - RE: discussion over fire and beer
ahh...but one of the few safe places to have such a conversation is in...well...not amerika!
Message 4/38 20-Feb-03 @ 05:26 AM - RE: discussion over fire and beer
can you imagine him being without chenie and his cohorts and phalanx of android guards and getting drunk with real dudes and listening to....whatever...cheap trick...snoop dog...grabbing his bible and proclaiming he wants daddy to burn us all?!?!?!
seriously...i'd love to toss a few with this great leader of men.
seriously...i'd love to toss a few with this great leader of men.
Message 5/38 20-Feb-03 @ 05:29 AM - RE: discussion over fire and beer
but reality suggests he has the upper hand...eh?
and why is this?
and why is this?
Message 6/38 20-Feb-03 @ 05:42 AM - RE: discussion over fire and beer
well i meant the god shit really, but since you mentioned it....
I just want America to stand up for something on a worldwide scale that will go down in history as changing global society for the better for once. Now, I'm not all with that "down with USA" shit because it's bullshit. It's the guys in charge and we all know it.
Just imagine the repercussions if America took an extremely strict no violence policy. Complete about-face. Overnight. The U.S. has unarguable influence in world diplomatic policies. It would be an unimaginable boost for world peace.
I'm not saying that Sadaam and Osama and whoever would just give up their nuclear arsenal because of our "naivety". No, they'd probably terrorize and bomb the shit out of us and many many many would die. Many more than 9/11 even. But is it worth saving the lives of those people to keep perpetuating the cycle of violence that has plagued humanity since the beginning? We took a wrong turn somewhere, made the wrong things our priorites, and violence resulted.... it's not natural, it's not right, and the U.S. at this point and time HAS to be the one to try and make it go away!
And after we're bombed and 100,000 people have died... then what? Invasion? I doubt it. \
This is the point where influx is laughing at my idealism. 'sokay
If nothing else, it would draw a more distinct line between the moral right and the moral wrong (even though I don't ultimately believe in that either, but I'll talk about that further down the thread perhaps). Right now, the U.S. has Nukes that can reach damn near anyone in the world, and more of em, and more money and power to do something with them than anyone in the world. Kinda makes our hunt for "evil" seem rather silly. We need to take a more direct approach to being "right"
I usually proofread and edit and all that shit. I'm not going to in this thread. enjoy the raw....
psy
I just want America to stand up for something on a worldwide scale that will go down in history as changing global society for the better for once. Now, I'm not all with that "down with USA" shit because it's bullshit. It's the guys in charge and we all know it.
Just imagine the repercussions if America took an extremely strict no violence policy. Complete about-face. Overnight. The U.S. has unarguable influence in world diplomatic policies. It would be an unimaginable boost for world peace.
I'm not saying that Sadaam and Osama and whoever would just give up their nuclear arsenal because of our "naivety". No, they'd probably terrorize and bomb the shit out of us and many many many would die. Many more than 9/11 even. But is it worth saving the lives of those people to keep perpetuating the cycle of violence that has plagued humanity since the beginning? We took a wrong turn somewhere, made the wrong things our priorites, and violence resulted.... it's not natural, it's not right, and the U.S. at this point and time HAS to be the one to try and make it go away!
And after we're bombed and 100,000 people have died... then what? Invasion? I doubt it. \
This is the point where influx is laughing at my idealism. 'sokay
If nothing else, it would draw a more distinct line between the moral right and the moral wrong (even though I don't ultimately believe in that either, but I'll talk about that further down the thread perhaps). Right now, the U.S. has Nukes that can reach damn near anyone in the world, and more of em, and more money and power to do something with them than anyone in the world. Kinda makes our hunt for "evil" seem rather silly. We need to take a more direct approach to being "right"
I usually proofread and edit and all that shit. I'm not going to in this thread. enjoy the raw....
psy
Message 7/38 20-Feb-03 @ 05:46 AM Edit: 20-Feb-03 | 06:04 AM - RE: discussion over fire and beer
and bang, we're back on to god shit...
uh....
uh, hold on!
ok, one edit.... are we talking about god or bush now? LOL. perhaps we should have this discussion over a beer.
uh....
uh, hold on!
ok, one edit.... are we talking about god or bush now? LOL. perhaps we should have this discussion over a beer.
Message 8/38 20-Feb-03 @ 09:18 AM - RE: discussion over fire and beer
Hurrah - we might actually be about to talk about it.
natural, symptoms and diseases
What is civilisation, when did 'right' become an absolute, who are 'they' in the global village?
If I have to get pissed about anzthing it is the repetitive nature of all of this. The semantics of any class of change are like new clothes on the same unwashed body, there is no ackowlwdgement of the benefit - to care, satisfaction, sustainability, etc etc and anz sort of moral scales - sorry western god figure.
If anything is excusable here it is the size of the pot being played for, even though 'once and for all' doesn't exist.
If we have space flight then this is a bit of a moral cleansing before the expansion, if not then we are seeing the queue forming at the waterhole.
As the US is currenlty the leading lady in this pensioners pantomine it has the most to loose and the historic capability to win win win, win what? well see 'once and for all' above
What is inexcusable is that this is a more obvious puppet and transparently poor (son of old puppet, plied to the form of the moulders seeking a figurehead/warhead!) and the strings being used are so old and the masses just move about placidly at the end of them, same as last time (new improved social levers!)
I suppose while I am here I could complain about the ratchet nature of existence and it's motivation, undeniable intepritation and through inference its conclusion in complete oppression
The tools change but we have nothing we didn't want,
Don't be fooled into paying attention to this experiemnt in global distraction, what about environment, privacy, corporate globals control, or like I said before, maybe all of this is not because of 'should' but because of 'can', or mazbe even the old ordinance question
Natural. Well how did the human race advance and evolve, what were the drivers and whoever thinks that these became unimportant when we started 'civilization' and caring for the genetically flawed needs to understand the historic nature of cascading systems, the water may change its direction of flow but uncannily it still goes top to bottom through the path of least resistance.
human beings are the disease, how much irreplaceable genetic and social diversity is being lost, how much resourvce is frittered supporting an unsustainable lifestyle - OLD JOKE, THe guy see the painter working super fast painting the wall and asks "What you working so fast for?" the painter replies "I am trying to finish before the paint runs out"
natural, symptoms and diseases
What is civilisation, when did 'right' become an absolute, who are 'they' in the global village?
If I have to get pissed about anzthing it is the repetitive nature of all of this. The semantics of any class of change are like new clothes on the same unwashed body, there is no ackowlwdgement of the benefit - to care, satisfaction, sustainability, etc etc and anz sort of moral scales - sorry western god figure.
If anything is excusable here it is the size of the pot being played for, even though 'once and for all' doesn't exist.
If we have space flight then this is a bit of a moral cleansing before the expansion, if not then we are seeing the queue forming at the waterhole.
As the US is currenlty the leading lady in this pensioners pantomine it has the most to loose and the historic capability to win win win, win what? well see 'once and for all' above
What is inexcusable is that this is a more obvious puppet and transparently poor (son of old puppet, plied to the form of the moulders seeking a figurehead/warhead!) and the strings being used are so old and the masses just move about placidly at the end of them, same as last time (new improved social levers!)
I suppose while I am here I could complain about the ratchet nature of existence and it's motivation, undeniable intepritation and through inference its conclusion in complete oppression
The tools change but we have nothing we didn't want,
Don't be fooled into paying attention to this experiemnt in global distraction, what about environment, privacy, corporate globals control, or like I said before, maybe all of this is not because of 'should' but because of 'can', or mazbe even the old ordinance question
Natural. Well how did the human race advance and evolve, what were the drivers and whoever thinks that these became unimportant when we started 'civilization' and caring for the genetically flawed needs to understand the historic nature of cascading systems, the water may change its direction of flow but uncannily it still goes top to bottom through the path of least resistance.
human beings are the disease, how much irreplaceable genetic and social diversity is being lost, how much resourvce is frittered supporting an unsustainable lifestyle - OLD JOKE, THe guy see the painter working super fast painting the wall and asks "What you working so fast for?" the painter replies "I am trying to finish before the paint runs out"
Message 9/38 20-Feb-03 @ 10:15 AM - RE: discussion over fire and beer
since Im so ubiquitous and need a life and a job and all that...
my only comment is...clay...you said its not safe to talk about this shit in "Amerika"
BULL
SHIT
do you REALIZE how truly free you are? Even amidst the nonsense...this is still the one place where you CAN talk shit. DRASTIC, CRAZY, OFFENSIVE, SUBVERSIVE
whatever. it all flies. that may change but as of now there are places where youd get SHOT for even whispering certain things.
this aint one of em.
not that I love the current state of our heh..nation-state..but...it gets a bit old hearing how OPPRESSED we are.
my only comment is...clay...you said its not safe to talk about this shit in "Amerika"
BULL
SHIT
do you REALIZE how truly free you are? Even amidst the nonsense...this is still the one place where you CAN talk shit. DRASTIC, CRAZY, OFFENSIVE, SUBVERSIVE
whatever. it all flies. that may change but as of now there are places where youd get SHOT for even whispering certain things.
this aint one of em.
not that I love the current state of our heh..nation-state..but...it gets a bit old hearing how OPPRESSED we are.
Message 10/38 20-Feb-03 @ 11:50 AM - RE: discussion over fire and beer
I think there is one thing everyones overlooking - Osama's gang and the other nuts in the world have plenty of money - The US govt gang say there is a frightening terrorist uprising that requires this fanatical 'war on terror', (rather than it being just another USA 'war on something' like they've had all thru the last century to steer tax $'s into govt agencies) - Now if these nuts really WERE at war and all that then they would, and certainly COULD be blowing commercial airliners out of the sky on a weekly basis all over the world using cheap black market Surface to air handhelds... so how come all this terrorist activity has stopped?
If I was a top terrorist at least then I can guarantee my posse would have blown away loads of US civilian flights or US bound civilian flights - it'd be too easy.
So my question is, how come the terrorists have gone so quiet and dont attack?
that's why I think it's all a load of old crap.
If I was a top terrorist at least then I can guarantee my posse would have blown away loads of US civilian flights or US bound civilian flights - it'd be too easy.
So my question is, how come the terrorists have gone so quiet and dont attack?
that's why I think it's all a load of old crap.
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