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Subject: Eye for an Eye
Original Message 1/19 28-Feb-03 @ 11:12 AM - Eye for an Eye
Heres an idea to end terrorism and avoid war with Iraq. Don't know if it would work but might be worth considering. We tell Muslim World In very certain terms that if we sustain another major attack (WE WILL NUKE YOUR SACRED STONE IN the CENTER OF MECCA WHERE MUSLIMS MAKE THEIR PILGRIMAGE!)After all they leveled our Trade Center which was a symbol of America and the world. Destroying the stone wouldn't require a single muslim death. After all its just a chunk of rock located in a large ampitheatre. A single smart bomb outta do it. Besides Mecca is in Saudi Arabia and that's where 15 of the terrorists came from. There lives don't mean much to them but I bet their sacred sites do. Tit for Tat I say. Detterence works if you can find something someone cares about.
Message 2/19 28-Feb-03 @ 11:29 AM - RE: Eye for an Eye
Steve Roughley
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'dunno. The world trade center was allways I pretty disgusting monument. Western greed and capitolism. Maybe instead of the standard western knee-jerk reaction (Oh my god we don't deserve this! Someone has to pay!), we should look at what we did to provoke such an attack.
One thing that was never pointed out is that not two weeks before the 9/11 attack, the evangelical jews of the US used their power with the US to prevent the US government from intervening in the Israeli/Palistinian conflict, which resulted in the US pulling out of the international race relations treaty. Basically signing away the lives of countless Palistinians.
That seems more like the kind of act that would trigger an attack on the US. The even more disgusting thing is how the US government used the tragedy for their own gain in accusing the Taliban so that the US could obtain an oil pipeline through Afghanistan.
Regards.
Steve.
One thing that was never pointed out is that not two weeks before the 9/11 attack, the evangelical jews of the US used their power with the US to prevent the US government from intervening in the Israeli/Palistinian conflict, which resulted in the US pulling out of the international race relations treaty. Basically signing away the lives of countless Palistinians.
That seems more like the kind of act that would trigger an attack on the US. The even more disgusting thing is how the US government used the tragedy for their own gain in accusing the Taliban so that the US could obtain an oil pipeline through Afghanistan.
Regards.
Steve.
Message 3/19 28-Feb-03 @ 12:50 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
Yeah its a complex issue. Try www.thetruthaboutwar.com. Very nasty allegations about our goverments covert efforts in manipulating other countries governments, starting wars, getting our hands dirty, ulterior motives ect. Problem is they do this stuff quietly behind the scences and few people know or object to these actions because they have neither the time nor inclination to stop it. Somehow it appears that the world is a very dangerous place and crap goes on behind the scences that if average people focused on they couldn't go to work in the morning. Keeping people in the dark seems to be their MO. With the current two party system in the U.S. their seems little hope for change. Maybe we don't know much because our lives our better being ignorant. The government keeps lots of secrets from us so how our we supposed to know whats really going on. If we did know what good would it do us? How do you motivate millions of beer drinking, reality tv watching, Suv driving, flag waving consumers to give a crap about anything but their own mantra.
I myself wish Some aliens could take me to another planet and get me the hell out of here. The Human race wears me out.
I myself wish Some aliens could take me to another planet and get me the hell out of here. The Human race wears me out.
Message 4/19 28-Feb-03 @ 01:11 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
1) god is green and has 3 eyes....and is watching us.
2) drink beer.... BUT turn the telly OFF...that doesn't mean to this channel occasionally because it's got some okay stuff on it....when i'm stupid.
this means totally and completely OFF!
3) bear in mind that fulfilling one's own needs (ie survival) doesn't comprise selling out. being silent when a decent opportunity to speak one's conscience...does.
4) i think everyone will have the opportunity to stand up or sit down for one's rights.
it's coming to this.
5) have faith that most people are good.....
sheep included.
2) drink beer.... BUT turn the telly OFF...that doesn't mean to this channel occasionally because it's got some okay stuff on it....when i'm stupid.
this means totally and completely OFF!
3) bear in mind that fulfilling one's own needs (ie survival) doesn't comprise selling out. being silent when a decent opportunity to speak one's conscience...does.
4) i think everyone will have the opportunity to stand up or sit down for one's rights.
it's coming to this.
5) have faith that most people are good.....
sheep included.
Message 5/19 28-Feb-03 @ 01:41 PM Edit: 28-Feb-03 | 01:43 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
Steve Roughley
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"The Human race wears me out"
Amen to that! The 'sheep' are either good or bad depending on what they are told. Besides, humans invented the concepts of rights and good and bad and if you analyse the concepts you'll quickly realise they are complete fallacies. Invented out of necessity, but too overused not to mention too abstract and vague to be applied now.
Regards.
Steve.
Amen to that! The 'sheep' are either good or bad depending on what they are told. Besides, humans invented the concepts of rights and good and bad and if you analyse the concepts you'll quickly realise they are complete fallacies. Invented out of necessity, but too overused not to mention too abstract and vague to be applied now.
Regards.
Steve.
Message 6/19 28-Feb-03 @ 01:51 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
Got web site wrong its www.truthaboutwar.org. You have more faith than I that's for sure. My neighbors (very nice people, very religious) asked me if I watched Tv. Said cable was getting expensive but yes. They said all they watched was Fox News. Sad, very sad. I presume they don't watch much because they can't handle all the SX and Violence. Since I don't have the means to leave this planet considering moving to another country thats more laid back and politically neutral. U.S. ideologues, Religious right, radical left all make me sick. ("and the shrewd shall inherit the earth") oh well........ guess Ill make a few tracks lfo ^^^^^^^^^^^
Message 7/19 28-Feb-03 @ 03:18 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
I wouldn't blow up something religious. That really seems to piss em off, no?
And I don't have my Bible here (*cough*), but isn't that whole 'eye for an eye' thing speaking of universal justice, or justice in the eyes of god? How are mere mortals supposed to know such things? God works in mysterious ways...
psy
And I don't have my Bible here (*cough*), but isn't that whole 'eye for an eye' thing speaking of universal justice, or justice in the eyes of god? How are mere mortals supposed to know such things? God works in mysterious ways...
psy
Message 8/19 28-Feb-03 @ 03:51 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
detente - you are admitting that you and the US do not respect 'GOD' (regardless of flavour) and that mammon is the religeon of the US - yes?
Message 9/19 28-Feb-03 @ 06:03 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
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Fuck "god" the ever-present, wrathful-yet-benign being that will PUNISH YOU HORRIBLY if you don't worship him and admit that you are a crap human. yet he LOVES YOU.
Religion is kind of fascinating to an atheist like me - I think there is something beneficial to be LEANRED from most religions, but you've got to THINK FOR YOURSELF and sort the data, sift it, and discard the useless, which is 90% or more. So yeah, religion = interesting, yet scary that OTHERWISE intelligent people take it seriously.
Humans ARE this planet's major problem, their own worst enemy, the blinder-wearing sheep, horses, dogs, what-have-you. Whatever you call it, same thing.
I realized one night when I ingested about 5 grams of psilocybin mushrooms and became posessed by the universe, that GOOD , BAD, RIGHT, WRONG, etc. DO NOT EXIST except in the mind of the individual. Benefit, Harm, these DO exist, and are observable. EVIL does not exist. That that can be said to be good, is that which helps the most whilst cauing the LEAST HARM. But that does not mean IT IS GOOD, just that it can be said to be good.
MASS HUMAN AGREEMENT is one of the msot harmful things to happen. Politics is a prime example of such.
AN eye for an eye you say? OK, so on a planetwide scale, we owe the planet our lives - I mean we need to accept and embrace death, not try to avoid it, prolong our lives to the point of undeniable selfishness. GIVE UP YOUR LIFE TO THE PLANET! Join me on a voluntary human extinction program; STOP PROCREATING. Adopt an animal, give it the best life you can. Grow some succulents, some rubber trees.
Now I'm starting to sound like a damn hippy. So I'll prove here that I'm just a simple observer. Image attached. Rolled, composed, exposed, processed & scanned by me, in case anyone wonders. Old barn detail near my residence.
Bla bla bla, if you were a space traveler looking for a hell and found earth, it would suffice.
Message 10/19 28-Feb-03 @ 06:39 PM Edit: 28-Feb-03 | 06:46 PM - RE: Eye for an Eye
Steve Roughley
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Nobody, I'd buy you a Virtual drink for that! But they don't exist. 
Never heard so many of my understandings pour out of someone else's head. Dunno if it's frightening or relieving.
Nice one fella!
Back to the original topic: Didn't Gandi once state "An eye for an eye makes the world go blind"? Good point.
Regards.
Steve.
Never heard so many of my understandings pour out of someone else's head. Dunno if it's frightening or relieving.
Nice one fella!
Back to the original topic: Didn't Gandi once state "An eye for an eye makes the world go blind"? Good point.
Regards.
Steve.
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