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Subject: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
Original Message 1/15 22-Sep-05 @ 09:46 AM - mixing piano...mono or stereo?
Message 2/15 22-Sep-05 @ 10:58 AM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
like everything else, it depends on the song and its place in it really. i could also see it being panned hard L-R but sitting low in the mix for example.
oh and whats this "When I have it in mono it takes up the centre nicely but sounds a bit weak"? did you record it with mics or is it a midi thing? if it was recorded, you possibly have some phasing issues which make it lose low freq's. maybe you could look at the audio file and see if thats the case. or maybe a tad of low end eq is all you need?
Message 3/15 22-Sep-05 @ 01:35 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
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Message 4/15 22-Sep-05 @ 02:21 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
Been listening to The Game album at lunchtime and most of the piano tracks seen to be mono panned dead centre.
Message 5/15 22-Sep-05 @ 02:33 PM Edit: 22-Sep-05 | 02:38 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
in a fuller mix, then bring it in a bit, if not the whole way. then add some stereo verb or subtle delay. if you're going for a live sounding mix like a band thing and your piano is some stereo patch or recorded stereo, mono the piano, watch out for phase and pan it where you like.
i sometimes have the piano doubling the bassline, then i'll have two piano parts, the bass one all mono and not much verb, if at all, definately eq the bottom out, then the other part, say a high tinkly bit with lots of verb, pan it so it's more center and narrower, depending on how far apart the top and bottom notes in the part are.
evp88? make it mono and send it through an amp sim with vibrato, autopan, phaser and a delay.
Message 6/15 22-Sep-05 @ 03:01 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
Message 7/15 22-Sep-05 @ 03:35 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
simulate a room verb for a piano use delay- 211ms and 222ms on either side....
this guy (and his interviewed mixers) says they use panned delays- ie dry coming 10oclock, delayed version coming out at two o'clock- the delay creating a sense of space- can work well...
another tip is to mono check- use the mono sum so you can hear your mix in mono- turn the pan knob until you hear the element dissapear or jump out- its worked for me on high hats- might give you an idea of where to put the dry line....mirror it on the other side with a short delay...
greg
Message 8/15 22-Sep-05 @ 04:32 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
Seriously though - thanks everyone.
Message 9/15 22-Sep-05 @ 04:44 PM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
and i dunno about outboard and patching etc i do it all in the computer innit.
but basically in logic i'd stick a phaser, autopan and amp simulator insert on the evp (free one from voxengo) then a send to a dub delay like logic tape, maybe a autopan on that as well (if your gonna use both make them musically interesting). only coz i like my rhodes like that mind you.
Message 10/15 23-Sep-05 @ 05:21 AM - RE: mixing piano...mono or stereo?
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