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Forums - Synths & synthesis
Subject: Help Supernova Info?
Original Message 1/28 04-Sep-98 @ 06:16 AM - Help Supernova Info?
I cant call long distance. My phone service does not have one so I need to ask here. What is the going rate for the Supernova in the United States. The last I heard is that the Supernova is around $2400-$3000 but in what curency? I hope that isnt the price for the American Supernova's. I want one and I dont get that much money. Since your other products were good I hear and cheap $400-$700 price range hear in the US I hope the Supernova is at a good competitive price as well. BTW Can you put more Real Audio demo's of the Supernova up please. I like that Trancy track. Was that done using only the Supernova? If then than that is somthing.
I live in California and I was wondering who and were I can go to see the Supernova here? Thanks and later
I live in California and I was wondering who and were I can go to see the Supernova here? Thanks and later
Message 2/28 04-Sep-98 @ 02:20 PM - RE: Help Supernova Info?
check out the distributors list.... it's here at the novation site... the distributor will tell you the location of dealers
Message 3/28 04-Sep-98 @ 04:19 PM - RE: Help Supernova Info?
US RETAIL
$ 2499 for 16 voice
$ 3299 for 32 voice
$ 899 for expansion board.
$ 2499 for 16 voice
$ 3299 for 32 voice
$ 899 for expansion board.
Message 4/28 05-Sep-98 @ 09:10 AM - RE: Help Supernova Info?
That is what I was afraid of. Welp let see I think in 4 to 5 years I could have enough dough for it. But then by that time somthing else that would most likely be bigger will be out then. Oh well I can only wish and dream. later
Message 5/28 15-Sep-98 @ 02:29 AM - RE: Help Supernova Info?
Man this sucks. Every one wants to put out somthing with a big ass price tag. And you know what it stinks. No one cares about us Poor fellows anymore. Every ones gotta have big money for there shit and I hate it. Every thing that I want is always to much money. I can buy 3 Yamaha AN1x's for the same price of that Supernova but I dont care about the AN1x. The JP 8000 is down in price to but both of those boards are crap. Now the Access Virus looks really good and its about half the price of the Supernova. But come on I think all these synths and boxes are to expensive. I only get 650 US dollers a month and I have to live on that money I have to pay my rent, food, electricity etc before I can think about getting anything that I want. Not that much people get as much as I get and even fewer get more than what I get. For all those who owns a Supernova or any synth must be very rich folks cus I dont see how I can get this stuff. My brother fortunatley makes twice as much as I and even he cant help me get the good stuff. Why cant instruments of today cost as much as guitars or other types of instruments. I can save money to buy somthing around $500 dollers but anything more is to much and will take too long to save. I wish I own Millions of dollers like you people cus it looks like only you can afford the good stuff while us poor people have to be happy with the scraps. Tell me what jobs out there will give enough money to afford anything over $500 US dollers? Did you win the lottery or somthing to afford you gear or somthing cus I dont know how the hell you people pull it off. I can tell you this There is not as many Rich people out there as there is with poor people. And us poor people have great musical talents to you know. To me its sad to alot of talent waisted because us poor people just couldnt afford your products or any one elses products for that matter. I have no real good knowlage about how to read music so when I play on a keyboard I dont really know what keys I am pushing but I do know what keys sounds good with other keys. And I have people in the stores I go to ask me how long have I been playing or I'll have people saying that I have never heard anything like that before or that sounds great. I even had some one say please keep playing dont stop. or I have some one even say I want your CD's. But hay im just a poor guy I dont own the good stuff but I do know how to play them and I know there is alot more people like me out there and they to cant afford the good stuff. I think Music industries will make a much better profet if they will sell there music equipment a little cheaper so at least most of us poor people out there can make some good tunes. I am a music collecter I listen to alot of types of music(mainly electronic). Its to bad that I cant afford making the music I like and music that no ones never heard yet. I dont hate your company I like you people and all the othere music companies out there its just I wish we can afford the good stuff too instead of buying scraps and second hand stuff if you know what I mean. later
Message 6/28 15-Sep-98 @ 12:08 PM - RE: Help Supernova Info?
Well, ever hear of a thing called interest free credit? Believe it or not that is how people afford to buy the stuff these days. I could buy a supernova with one months wages but hey I want to pay my mortgage and eat as well. So IFC is the way people like me can buy one. Just depends on whether you want to tie yourself down for 2 years or so while you are paying it off...
Most of my mates use bank loans and buy whole studios 2nd hand, (2-3000ukp) then they'll take the stuff they did'nt want and sell it to recover most of the money (which goes towards paying the loan).. They are left with a couple of nice pieces of kit that cost them around 3/4 of the 2nd hand market value..
Good way of doing it if you have the commitment to pay of the original loan with any sales you make.
Richie..
Most of my mates use bank loans and buy whole studios 2nd hand, (2-3000ukp) then they'll take the stuff they did'nt want and sell it to recover most of the money (which goes towards paying the loan).. They are left with a couple of nice pieces of kit that cost them around 3/4 of the 2nd hand market value..
Good way of doing it if you have the commitment to pay of the original loan with any sales you make.
Richie..
Message 7/28 15-Sep-98 @ 11:47 PM - RE: Help Supernova Info?
Hey guys,
I feel your pain about the prices of great new gear. In Canada, our dollar is currently less than two thirds of an American one. Add at least 33% to many of the American prices, and you start to see our situation. Nonetheless, you can't really criticize companies like Novation, or anyone else really, because synthesizers are not as big a market as Fender Strats. Or even non-musical products. The snv appears to be a super fine piece of gear, and I can't wait until they come out over here. The bottom line is you do get what you pay for, and even synth manufacturers have to feed their families. If you can find a music store that lets you finance gear over a year, like Long&McQuade up here, then at least it presents oppourtunities for us that may not normally exist. I own tons of gear, but almost all of it has been financed, and I've been doing it for a long time. Check out all your options, and try not to feel overwhelmed. You DON'T need a million dollars to get cool sounding stuff, and certainly many hit records have been produced with minimal setups.
And if you still feel that gear is still too expensive, think about this: the synths that are coming out now (like the supernova) are capable of much more than most of the really high end stuff that came out fifteen or even ten years ago. People can make professional quality recordings in their bedrooms with less than $10,000 of gear. What would the same quality production have cost even ten years ago? Considerably more. If you really have no cash, then even $3000 for a really fine synth would seem like a pipe dream, but for the bang for the buck ratio, we live in a SWEET time for gear.
Befor everyone goes blind trying to read my extended essay here, just one last story: I have a friend who runs a successful production company in Detroit, MI. He has a small studio, but he knows it really well, and he is ALWAYS busy. A tremendously creative individual, he began his business living in the back of his van, cranking out jingles with two analog 4-track machines synce'd together. Think of what he could do with some of the second hand stuff that's out today!
I feel your pain about the prices of great new gear. In Canada, our dollar is currently less than two thirds of an American one. Add at least 33% to many of the American prices, and you start to see our situation. Nonetheless, you can't really criticize companies like Novation, or anyone else really, because synthesizers are not as big a market as Fender Strats. Or even non-musical products. The snv appears to be a super fine piece of gear, and I can't wait until they come out over here. The bottom line is you do get what you pay for, and even synth manufacturers have to feed their families. If you can find a music store that lets you finance gear over a year, like Long&McQuade up here, then at least it presents oppourtunities for us that may not normally exist. I own tons of gear, but almost all of it has been financed, and I've been doing it for a long time. Check out all your options, and try not to feel overwhelmed. You DON'T need a million dollars to get cool sounding stuff, and certainly many hit records have been produced with minimal setups.
And if you still feel that gear is still too expensive, think about this: the synths that are coming out now (like the supernova) are capable of much more than most of the really high end stuff that came out fifteen or even ten years ago. People can make professional quality recordings in their bedrooms with less than $10,000 of gear. What would the same quality production have cost even ten years ago? Considerably more. If you really have no cash, then even $3000 for a really fine synth would seem like a pipe dream, but for the bang for the buck ratio, we live in a SWEET time for gear.
Befor everyone goes blind trying to read my extended essay here, just one last story: I have a friend who runs a successful production company in Detroit, MI. He has a small studio, but he knows it really well, and he is ALWAYS busy. A tremendously creative individual, he began his business living in the back of his van, cranking out jingles with two analog 4-track machines synce'd together. Think of what he could do with some of the second hand stuff that's out today!
Message 8/28 16-Sep-98 @ 03:43 AM - RE: Help Supernova Info?
.... whatever the money thing... fact is this..... the supernova, is a very powerful... latest release.... synth.... up in the top of it's type on the market.... synths at this area cost a load...and if you're into analog sounds, the Nova is great to aspire to owning...but no need to be put off... think positive...
...... you CAN do a gig/party... with a sequencer, sampler, drum box... and.... an old basstation.... pick one up.... they are ok and cheap... or get an old 101.... whatever.... but if these guys hadn't made it, it'd be one less cheap analog thing you can pick up and twiddle.... or get a sampler drum box and an old FM .... anyways... it's about 500-600 pounds -uk... ands you can do gigs with it.... and as reliably as if you had a pair of technics and disks.... you can play.... in the style you choose.... you can start to play... you can start to get out and make a name if you're any good...... then it starts to roll, and you build..... it's not at all about reading music.. or 'Playing' keyboards..... it's about mixing beats, breaks, and patterns of sounds in and out over a period of time.... thats all...thats all you need.....
a synth with mega facilities is not going to solve your thing... but that aint where it starts.....but everything has to start somewhere..... and you check-out anyone you admire as an artist... and all of them will have started with almost fuck-all...... it starts with a few hundred's worth of kit and the intention......
...... you CAN do a gig/party... with a sequencer, sampler, drum box... and.... an old basstation.... pick one up.... they are ok and cheap... or get an old 101.... whatever.... but if these guys hadn't made it, it'd be one less cheap analog thing you can pick up and twiddle.... or get a sampler drum box and an old FM .... anyways... it's about 500-600 pounds -uk... ands you can do gigs with it.... and as reliably as if you had a pair of technics and disks.... you can play.... in the style you choose.... you can start to play... you can start to get out and make a name if you're any good...... then it starts to roll, and you build..... it's not at all about reading music.. or 'Playing' keyboards..... it's about mixing beats, breaks, and patterns of sounds in and out over a period of time.... thats all...thats all you need.....
a synth with mega facilities is not going to solve your thing... but that aint where it starts.....but everything has to start somewhere..... and you check-out anyone you admire as an artist... and all of them will have started with almost fuck-all...... it starts with a few hundred's worth of kit and the intention......
Message 9/28 16-Sep-98 @ 04:03 AM - RE: Help Supernova Info?
Thanks for bringing my spirits up I needed it. I'll have to try out thoughs options and see if I can qualify for loans or somthing that will help me get what I want. I feel fine about what I can get with my money and I will feel good if I can just get the Roland JP 8080. I own the Alesis QS8 and what a fine keyboard it is. if I just can get my hands on one of those analogue modelling synth for the real trippy sounds. I could buy an old analogue synth but I am afraid about its inferior structures and that I wouldnt know what to do if my good analog goes out. I want somthing realiable and trippy so the new stuff is my options. I gues I'll miss the warmth and fattness of old analogues but I wont miss it cus I never heard or played one in real life. Only on my CD's I hear analogue but CD's are digitally compressed audio sources so I dont think I am hearing what people are saying about analog as they sound pretty much the same as digital synths except the analogs have the unique way of making sounds. but then some digital keyboards can make some weird stuff to so I may not know if some of the sounds I hear is from a real analog or not. like I said I own the Alesis QS8 and I had made some analogish sounds if I can call them that on my keyboard. I mean I can creat some real synthetic noises on my keyboard. The only real way I know I am listening to real analogues synths is if I amlistening to an artists that has a music out before digital became existance like jean Michel jarres Oxygene and equinox albums. I have the new Oxygene album the one that goes from 7 to 13 and I cant tell if I am hearing analogue or digital as he plays a mixure of analog and digital keyboards on his new CD. later
Message 10/28 16-Sep-98 @ 12:18 PM - RE: Help Supernova Info?
Interesting conversation guy's. We have always strived to bring you...the muso's... value for money, we did it with the BassStation, Drum Station and I think we have done it with the Supernova.
Hava look at your rack Have you got 8 reverbs?
Have you got 8 delays?
Have you got a mixer that could cope with 56 effects?
Does your current ANALOGUE/MODELED stuff have up to 32 voices, 8 outputs and 8 part Multitimbral possibilities?
Yep I know it is not cheap, but it does the job. I find may Multitmbral instruments are alright for Demo's but to get the full sound for a finished proffessional Production inevitably you would end up dedicating some tracks to tape/HD because they dont sound the same in Multimode as they do in program mode.
This is a fundamental change in direction that the Supernova has pioneered. In Multimode on the Supernova it is virtually like having 8 Supernovas. This means 8 SETS of effects are running at once... This is the way it should always have been done ( No compromises ) but COST has always been the problem.
From a Processing angle the 32 voice Supernova has over 1000 MIPs of DSP power. Considering that a Propecy has 30MIPs of DSP power or the 168RC Korg digital desk has 72MIPs of DSP power or the average PC HD Recording card like Darla or the KORG 1212 has 60-80MIPS DSP power the Supernova is very very good value!
Our intention was to bring you a Synth with all the features that were always compromises in the past.
These were...
Great Sound..really liguid Analoue like Classic Modular Systems. ( DSP intensive, LFO's & ENV's have to be REALLY FAST, not pitifully slow and lumpy like all preceeding digial or digitally controlled analouge synths )
It does everything you would expect in every mode. ( DSP intesive as effects section has to be replicated 8 times in Performance mode, Up to 8 arpeggiators in performance mode.)
It's got to be really easy to edit. ( Lots of Knobs and Switches )
It has to have loads of outputs. ( Separate Dac's for each output )
It has to be really clean sounding ( 24bit signal path throughout, including Dac's )
Personally I think we succeded! There is another thing to bear in mind...
There is this pile in my studio that is getting added to every other day as I realise that that bit of gear is no longer required as the Supernova I have has made it effectivley redundant...When I sell them they will have paid for my Supernova...plus I get the benifit of some SPACE back in the Studio.
Phill@Novation
Hava look at your rack Have you got 8 reverbs?
Have you got 8 delays?
Have you got a mixer that could cope with 56 effects?
Does your current ANALOGUE/MODELED stuff have up to 32 voices, 8 outputs and 8 part Multitimbral possibilities?
Yep I know it is not cheap, but it does the job. I find may Multitmbral instruments are alright for Demo's but to get the full sound for a finished proffessional Production inevitably you would end up dedicating some tracks to tape/HD because they dont sound the same in Multimode as they do in program mode.
This is a fundamental change in direction that the Supernova has pioneered. In Multimode on the Supernova it is virtually like having 8 Supernovas. This means 8 SETS of effects are running at once... This is the way it should always have been done ( No compromises ) but COST has always been the problem.
From a Processing angle the 32 voice Supernova has over 1000 MIPs of DSP power. Considering that a Propecy has 30MIPs of DSP power or the 168RC Korg digital desk has 72MIPs of DSP power or the average PC HD Recording card like Darla or the KORG 1212 has 60-80MIPS DSP power the Supernova is very very good value!
Our intention was to bring you a Synth with all the features that were always compromises in the past.
These were...
Great Sound..really liguid Analoue like Classic Modular Systems. ( DSP intensive, LFO's & ENV's have to be REALLY FAST, not pitifully slow and lumpy like all preceeding digial or digitally controlled analouge synths )
It does everything you would expect in every mode. ( DSP intesive as effects section has to be replicated 8 times in Performance mode, Up to 8 arpeggiators in performance mode.)
It's got to be really easy to edit. ( Lots of Knobs and Switches )
It has to have loads of outputs. ( Separate Dac's for each output )
It has to be really clean sounding ( 24bit signal path throughout, including Dac's )
Personally I think we succeded! There is another thing to bear in mind...
There is this pile in my studio that is getting added to every other day as I realise that that bit of gear is no longer required as the Supernova I have has made it effectivley redundant...When I sell them they will have paid for my Supernova...plus I get the benifit of some SPACE back in the Studio.
Phill@Novation
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