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Subject: esi4000 or asr-x
Original Message 1/15 22-Mar-98 @ 01:51 PM - esi4000 or asr-x
what's the best option EMU ESi-4000 or the Ensoniq ASR-x?
Message 2/15 22-Mar-98 @ 04:48 PM - RE: esi4000 or asr-x
Ensoniq samplers are shit. The ASR-X is their worst yet. Go for the E-mu. (that's got the built in zip correct ? fucking dogs bollocks.)
Message 4/15 22-Mar-98 @ 10:29 PM - RE: esi4000 or asr-x
Hell yea. MPC is da shiz-nit. You have to understand that the MPC and ASR X are not full featured samplers like the E-Mu. Check it out, Akai samplers are the tightest.
Message 5/15 23-Mar-98 @ 09:09 AM - RE: esi4000 or asr-x
well, I dunno... the ASR_X is ok.....it's got a synth it it too, and it can do all that resampling with fx ........ dont slag it that much..... it's very similar to the mpc after-all......and it gets him a sequencer & synth too, unlike the esi.......
Message 6/15 23-Mar-98 @ 11:41 AM - RE: esi4000 or asr-x
kilo is right!, why all you say that the ASRX is a piece of
shit?, please say some objetive reasons.....I think this
machine is G-R-E-A-T!!!, after all what sampler offers
you all those features in the price range the ASR does?
Please donīt be so blind!
The ESI is a fine tool with really amazing filter power, but
I still think that the ASR give you more for your buck.
The resampling feature alone is enought reason to buy
one, also powerfull filters and FX.
My only complaiment when it was released was the lack
of pattern mode and sequence chaining, but both was
added in the latest operative system (v2.5), so the machine
is actually one of the most complete tools for groove-
-based music, a great compositional piece of gear.
The ESI gives you more poly and memory, but lacks the
pattern sequencer (believe me, computers canīt touch
this) and the resampling power.
But I love E-mu anyway, so I think you canīt go wrong
with the 4000......but not with an AKAI.
I donīt know what people see in AKAI samplers!, I canīt
understand it!.........weak filters.......no more expansion
options that other manufacturers (and there are nothing
out of this world)......I donīt know.....also the soooooo
aclamed MPC2000 canīt mapped a sample in a cromatic
way via MIDI!!!!...you can believe that????!!!!!!!!....you
canīt play a simple bassline with your sample from a MIDI
keyboard!!!!!......thatīs no my idea of a "Music Production
Center" .....itīs yours?
Dan
shit?, please say some objetive reasons.....I think this
machine is G-R-E-A-T!!!, after all what sampler offers
you all those features in the price range the ASR does?
Please donīt be so blind!
The ESI is a fine tool with really amazing filter power, but
I still think that the ASR give you more for your buck.
The resampling feature alone is enought reason to buy
one, also powerfull filters and FX.
My only complaiment when it was released was the lack
of pattern mode and sequence chaining, but both was
added in the latest operative system (v2.5), so the machine
is actually one of the most complete tools for groove-
-based music, a great compositional piece of gear.
The ESI gives you more poly and memory, but lacks the
pattern sequencer (believe me, computers canīt touch
this) and the resampling power.
But I love E-mu anyway, so I think you canīt go wrong
with the 4000......but not with an AKAI.
I donīt know what people see in AKAI samplers!, I canīt
understand it!.........weak filters.......no more expansion
options that other manufacturers (and there are nothing
out of this world)......I donīt know.....also the soooooo
aclamed MPC2000 canīt mapped a sample in a cromatic
way via MIDI!!!!...you can believe that????!!!!!!!!....you
canīt play a simple bassline with your sample from a MIDI
keyboard!!!!!......thatīs no my idea of a "Music Production
Center" .....itīs yours?
Dan
Message 7/15 23-Mar-98 @ 01:56 PM - RE: esi4000 or asr-x
And, the ASR-X will import akai S1000 samples, it will load .wav samples of any format (8 bit, 16 bit), the insert effects are excellent with plenty of variations for each effect, and if you add the Urban Dance card to the ASR-X, you have a very large library of great kits that can be used in R&B, Hip Hop, Techno, House, Jungle, etc. I find myself using the onboard drum kits all the time, and that saves me time.
If I decide to use a kit from a sample CD, I'll edit all of the sounds in Sound Forge, save them to my HD, and have the ASR-X load them up through the scsi chain.
Also, you can add an internal scsi zip drive to the ASR-X. Rubber Chicken Software has this available. They are also working on an editor for the ASR-X.
If you are doing any type of dance music, I would strongly recommend the ASR-X with the Urban Dance card, SCSI, and the Output X-pander.
If I decide to use a kit from a sample CD, I'll edit all of the sounds in Sound Forge, save them to my HD, and have the ASR-X load them up through the scsi chain.
Also, you can add an internal scsi zip drive to the ASR-X. Rubber Chicken Software has this available. They are also working on an editor for the ASR-X.
If you are doing any type of dance music, I would strongly recommend the ASR-X with the Urban Dance card, SCSI, and the Output X-pander.
Message 8/15 23-Mar-98 @ 09:59 PM - RE: esi4000 or asr-x
Hey you lamers, Sample playback is NOT synthesis. How about in a year when those lame-ass "dance" sounds are passe ? I had an ASR-X for a week (because there was no local Akai dealer) but just couldn't hold on to something that I felt I was settling for. How about that crappy display ? no scsi standard ? shitty non-pressure sensetive pads (I don't mean velocity) ? only one midi out ? WAY limited sample editing ? WAY limited sequence editing ? no note repeat feature ? no slider built in ?
The ASR-X is a lame duck. When I had it it burped out sysex very un-smooth. I couldn't believe there was NO way to chain sequences together. The ASR-X is like the MC-303 of sapling. The fucking ad for it in this months keyboard has a mime in it. A MIME !!! That's a sure way to sell to the targeted dance-kiddie market.
All in all, the only strengths the ASR-X really has are as follows:
sample mapping to keys
better fx
That's it boys and girls. I have real world tested 'em and they just don't compare at all. Have you heard of midi slop ? If you're getting all of your sounds from one box as both machines are marketed, then there is NO way you are going to get remotely tight sequences. Hell, my MPCs' (2000 and 3000) kick Logic's ass. You guys don't know shit. Have fun.
The ASR-X is a lame duck. When I had it it burped out sysex very un-smooth. I couldn't believe there was NO way to chain sequences together. The ASR-X is like the MC-303 of sapling. The fucking ad for it in this months keyboard has a mime in it. A MIME !!! That's a sure way to sell to the targeted dance-kiddie market.
All in all, the only strengths the ASR-X really has are as follows:
sample mapping to keys
better fx
That's it boys and girls. I have real world tested 'em and they just don't compare at all. Have you heard of midi slop ? If you're getting all of your sounds from one box as both machines are marketed, then there is NO way you are going to get remotely tight sequences. Hell, my MPCs' (2000 and 3000) kick Logic's ass. You guys don't know shit. Have fun.
Message 9/15 25-Mar-98 @ 06:17 AM - RE: esi4000 or asr-x
You can mapp your samples to your key board on the
mpc!!!! Just rout the note number to the sample your
wanting to trigger from your key board. You can't
multisample but you can make coppies and tune.
mpc!!!! Just rout the note number to the sample your
wanting to trigger from your key board. You can't
multisample but you can make coppies and tune.
Message 10/15 25-Mar-98 @ 06:24 AM - RE: esi4000 or asr-x
Yes, but it's not a truly practical solution.
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