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Subject: music today (oh and coldplay)
Original Message Date: 30-Aug-05 @ 02:01 PM - music today (oh and coldplay)
Dominic
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Wow, so many articles on the web that rubbish coldplay and their x&y album. Why does everyone hate Coldplay? Why are they the focus for everything that is wrong in music today? I think the speed of sound track is alright. There's alot worse out there. Anyway thought DTers might like to read this article although its not telling you anything you don't already know........
MUSIC TODAY (2005)
What if it's over. What if everything this business was built upon,
everything we know, is disappearing.
Well, this business WAS built upon music. But that was a long time ago.
That was before everybody got greedy. Before it was demonstrated how much MONEY
there was in the music business.
Oh, there's always been a music business. Back to the days when cavemen were
banging on rocks and people sat around and listened. But the sixties were
different. We had recorded music, and a large ready audience, i.e. baby
boomers, with the money and wherewithal to buy it.
Before the sixties the single was the dominant format. First 78s, then 45s.
You can't make much money selling singles. Just ask the labels how
profitable iTunes is. And, there wasn't much money. There was a depression.
And then
a war. But when rock and roll hit, when the baby boomers came of age, when
the Beatles turned it into an album format, purveyors started COINING DOUGH!
You HAD to have the Beatle album.
And the Beatles and the San Francisco sound begat concert venues. And press
to cover the scene. And suddenly, music was the driver, the hippest art form
extant.
And the MONEY!
First there were the records. Then, Led Zeppelin changed the live deal. To
90/10. And everybody wanted to SEE Led Zeppelin. There was no venue too big,
they could sell every seat of a stadium.
And there was radio to grease the way. To turn people on to new bands.
But then FM radio became formatted. The acts became corporate. The whole
thing tanked. But MTV revived it.
Suddenly, there was a new way to expose product. And this new exposure sold
TONS of albums. Killed acts as quickly as it made them, but the public was
hooked, they had to watch, MTV was the antithesis of corporate television.
Then came the baby boomlet. The CHILDREN of the baby boomers. Whose parents
didn't believe in denying them. Lou Pearlman developed a whole new breed of
act to appeal to this group, and the Backstreet Boys and 'N Sync sold DIAMOND!
Over ten million albums per record.
Then it died.
Yup, died.
The labels will tell you it's file-trading. That's why we have no more
diamond albums.
Concert promoters blame the acts, they're too greedy.
And if you listen to the public, everybody's too greedy and the acts suck.
But, is any of this TRUE???
Well, all of it's true to a degree, but are these the factors that are ailing
the music business or are their OTHER, unforeseen, unexplored reasons?
There's no center anymore. No town square. No marketplace that everybody
passes through. We're no longer one cohesive culture. And therefore, you can't
find ten million people to buy one album. It's not like the sixties, when
you heard everything. Mariah Carey had the biggest track of the summer? I bet
half of America never heard it. Hell, most Americans are not familiar with
the Top Forty chart. It's meaningless to them. They don't listen to the radio
stations and they don't like the urban-oriented sound.
The acts that sell today, to the degree they DO sell, are overexposed.
That's what the major label's business is. That's why you sign with a major
rather
than an indie. They'll get you on the radio, MTV/VH1/Fuse, "The Today Show",
maybe even "20/20", in "Us", "People", singing the national anthem at
sporting events, in movies, at least your songs. Because if you don't do ALL of
the
above, not enough people are aware of your product, the major label can't sell
enough copies to recoup its investment.
But it gets worse. In order to get everybody to buy in, in order to get all
the exposing media involved, the music has to be palatable. Must be bland and
inoffensive. Otherwise, it's a tune-out, and ratings will decline. UNLESS,
OF COURSE, it's the edge, the danger that you're truly selling. It's not like
the days of the Rolling Stones, words are not enough, how many times was 50
Cent shot?
But it's not only the labels that are in trouble. The live business is never
going to be the same. It's got nothing to do with sheds or arenas. Nothing
to do with the quality of food. It's just that not enough people know about
the touring acts that you can SELL 20,000 tickets a night.
Classic rock acts. They're already ingrained in the public consciousness.
The Dave Matthews Band? Truly, the last one to squeak in. When MTV still
played music, broke bands. THEY can make the numbers. And then there's
Coldplay... One has to ask, is Coldplay selling out because it's such fantastic
music or because people need a rallying point? To feel SOME connection to the
mainstream?
But Coldplay is irrelevant. Let's just say there will be a COUPLE of new
bands that will break through and sell tickets for a year or two (if you think
Coldplay's gonna be doing 20,000 a night three years from now, you're dreaming,
or else they're going to make a quantum leap in recorded material, since "X&Y"
is so bland, so repetitive, so WEAK as to be laughable to anybody truly
listening).
This business was built upon a NUMBER of acts selling out arenas. Where are
those acts coming from?
There's no mainstream outlet exposing these acts, IRRELEVANT of how good the
material is.
MTV plays almost no music. Remember when you HAD to get a ticket to the
VMAs? Could there be LESS buzz about next week's show?
Radio is run by advertising men, not music lovers.
But music lovers still exist. They haunt the Web.
But the Web is narrowcasting.
Music ain't gonna die. It's just that each album is going to sell fewer
copies and each concert is going to have fewer attendees. You'll go to a club
to
see a band that almost no one has ever heard of. Just you and some other
people on MySpace. It will be enough to sell a couple of hundred tickets in
Cleveland, but it won't ever sell 20,000 a night. Unless, of course, the act
signs
to the major label, which will dumb down the music, sell it everywhere and
kill it.
It's a funny era. More people are making music than ever before. More music
is AVAILABLE than ever before. There are so many genres that even an expert
can't keep them all straight. But it's bad for the old guard. The old guard
is based on tonnage of individual acts. Those days are through.
MUSIC TODAY (2005)
What if it's over. What if everything this business was built upon,
everything we know, is disappearing.
Well, this business WAS built upon music. But that was a long time ago.
That was before everybody got greedy. Before it was demonstrated how much MONEY
there was in the music business.
Oh, there's always been a music business. Back to the days when cavemen were
banging on rocks and people sat around and listened. But the sixties were
different. We had recorded music, and a large ready audience, i.e. baby
boomers, with the money and wherewithal to buy it.
Before the sixties the single was the dominant format. First 78s, then 45s.
You can't make much money selling singles. Just ask the labels how
profitable iTunes is. And, there wasn't much money. There was a depression.
And then
a war. But when rock and roll hit, when the baby boomers came of age, when
the Beatles turned it into an album format, purveyors started COINING DOUGH!
You HAD to have the Beatle album.
And the Beatles and the San Francisco sound begat concert venues. And press
to cover the scene. And suddenly, music was the driver, the hippest art form
extant.
And the MONEY!
First there were the records. Then, Led Zeppelin changed the live deal. To
90/10. And everybody wanted to SEE Led Zeppelin. There was no venue too big,
they could sell every seat of a stadium.
And there was radio to grease the way. To turn people on to new bands.
But then FM radio became formatted. The acts became corporate. The whole
thing tanked. But MTV revived it.
Suddenly, there was a new way to expose product. And this new exposure sold
TONS of albums. Killed acts as quickly as it made them, but the public was
hooked, they had to watch, MTV was the antithesis of corporate television.
Then came the baby boomlet. The CHILDREN of the baby boomers. Whose parents
didn't believe in denying them. Lou Pearlman developed a whole new breed of
act to appeal to this group, and the Backstreet Boys and 'N Sync sold DIAMOND!
Over ten million albums per record.
Then it died.
Yup, died.
The labels will tell you it's file-trading. That's why we have no more
diamond albums.
Concert promoters blame the acts, they're too greedy.
And if you listen to the public, everybody's too greedy and the acts suck.
But, is any of this TRUE???
Well, all of it's true to a degree, but are these the factors that are ailing
the music business or are their OTHER, unforeseen, unexplored reasons?
There's no center anymore. No town square. No marketplace that everybody
passes through. We're no longer one cohesive culture. And therefore, you can't
find ten million people to buy one album. It's not like the sixties, when
you heard everything. Mariah Carey had the biggest track of the summer? I bet
half of America never heard it. Hell, most Americans are not familiar with
the Top Forty chart. It's meaningless to them. They don't listen to the radio
stations and they don't like the urban-oriented sound.
The acts that sell today, to the degree they DO sell, are overexposed.
That's what the major label's business is. That's why you sign with a major
rather
than an indie. They'll get you on the radio, MTV/VH1/Fuse, "The Today Show",
maybe even "20/20", in "Us", "People", singing the national anthem at
sporting events, in movies, at least your songs. Because if you don't do ALL of
the
above, not enough people are aware of your product, the major label can't sell
enough copies to recoup its investment.
But it gets worse. In order to get everybody to buy in, in order to get all
the exposing media involved, the music has to be palatable. Must be bland and
inoffensive. Otherwise, it's a tune-out, and ratings will decline. UNLESS,
OF COURSE, it's the edge, the danger that you're truly selling. It's not like
the days of the Rolling Stones, words are not enough, how many times was 50
Cent shot?
But it's not only the labels that are in trouble. The live business is never
going to be the same. It's got nothing to do with sheds or arenas. Nothing
to do with the quality of food. It's just that not enough people know about
the touring acts that you can SELL 20,000 tickets a night.
Classic rock acts. They're already ingrained in the public consciousness.
The Dave Matthews Band? Truly, the last one to squeak in. When MTV still
played music, broke bands. THEY can make the numbers. And then there's
Coldplay... One has to ask, is Coldplay selling out because it's such fantastic
music or because people need a rallying point? To feel SOME connection to the
mainstream?
But Coldplay is irrelevant. Let's just say there will be a COUPLE of new
bands that will break through and sell tickets for a year or two (if you think
Coldplay's gonna be doing 20,000 a night three years from now, you're dreaming,
or else they're going to make a quantum leap in recorded material, since "X&Y"
is so bland, so repetitive, so WEAK as to be laughable to anybody truly
listening).
This business was built upon a NUMBER of acts selling out arenas. Where are
those acts coming from?
There's no mainstream outlet exposing these acts, IRRELEVANT of how good the
material is.
MTV plays almost no music. Remember when you HAD to get a ticket to the
VMAs? Could there be LESS buzz about next week's show?
Radio is run by advertising men, not music lovers.
But music lovers still exist. They haunt the Web.
But the Web is narrowcasting.
Music ain't gonna die. It's just that each album is going to sell fewer
copies and each concert is going to have fewer attendees. You'll go to a club
to
see a band that almost no one has ever heard of. Just you and some other
people on MySpace. It will be enough to sell a couple of hundred tickets in
Cleveland, but it won't ever sell 20,000 a night. Unless, of course, the act
signs
to the major label, which will dumb down the music, sell it everywhere and
kill it.
It's a funny era. More people are making music than ever before. More music
is AVAILABLE than ever before. There are so many genres that even an expert
can't keep them all straight. But it's bad for the old guard. The old guard
is based on tonnage of individual acts. Those days are through.
Message 11/15 05-Sep-05 @ 12:52 PM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
oh god... did i have to scroll thru all of this just to see if Damballah is still alive and did not drown?
(good to know you are, tho!)
(good to know you are, tho!)
Message 12/15 06-Sep-05 @ 05:01 AM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
well, I'm only about 700 miles north of new orleans, so yeah I'm OK. 
I was just down there at the beginning of april -- it's really a cool place but it's really fucked right now.
I was just down there at the beginning of april -- it's really a cool place but it's really fucked right now.
Message 13/15 06-Sep-05 @ 12:24 PM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
lol... i was pretty sure you were in the deep deep south. might have been your nickname that made me think so 
Message 14/15 06-Sep-05 @ 03:46 PM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
dude. By the look of the people on TV who are stranded they could easily last a few months without eating and would in that time simply get back down to a normal body weight. They are all fucking humungous great lard-asses
heh, did you see that video of the Police looting a store, lol.
heh, did you see that video of the Police looting a store, lol.
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Message 15/15 06-Sep-05 @ 05:11 PM - RE: music today (oh and coldplay)
i'll assume you're talking about my other post
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