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Subject: APS effects
Original Message Date: 13-Dec-98 @ 02:45 AM - APS effects
Just a question I'd like clarfied re. the effects of the EMU APS. With most wavetable synths you have lots of effects but you can only have 2 active at on time. Because these are going to be used globaly over all the midi tracks, of coarse you can not be too radical and you end up using a more sensible if unamaginative hall reverb and a chorus effect. This limitation on my card i find a little frustrating although it does eveything else I want ( Terratec ews64xl ).BTW the Ed!son sampler instrument editor has just had another update (version 1.0) ,although they haven't fixed the 512k max sample length thing. Over the last couple of weeks I have been hounding the fuck outa ppl trying to nail down the compression thing with soundfont as all my loops are played within soundsets and you ,of coarse would want the best bandwidth. The word is that soundfont in itself doesn't use compressin but that the creative cards are apparantly doing alot of the processing in12 bit. So the compression is hardware, not software. I guess that this combined with creatives crappy D to A 's is the reason why the synth sounds to MY EARS sound like shit. I would also be interested in any info re. the APS and it's internal processing of of soundfont. It seems to be the first Creative card with descent D/A. I believe they have an updated version called sf 2.1 which allows better access to more parameters. Even though it's filtering is meant to be shite over the terratec, if it doesn't us compression and if you can have much better routing of more effects , then I might be jumping ship. Any thoughts. Rafael seems to be the dude at the mo re. APS as he actually owns one. Dale
Message 11/16 18-Dec-98 @ 07:35 PM - RE: APS effects
Dale,
You can use APS with another card provided the other card isn't a piece of junk with drivers programmed by drunken chimpanzees. But yeah, even with good components some PCs are very uncooperative little bastards so I can see where you're coming from.
As for the SRC issue with APS, yes it's a problem but then again for the price the APS is one outstanding product. Maybe it is not a true "pro" product...but again, for the money it is THE best thing on the market IMHO. Just remember, record and mix everything at 48kz until you are ready to 'master' to CD (i.e. in Soundforge or whatever.) A SRC UP to to 48 from 44.1 isn't really a bad thing.
As for switching to Soundfont, that's a bummer but over time that will absolutely work in your favor. Besides, Emu is selling boatloads of great samples for almost nothing.
As for the effects, they are described accurately above. Look for future enhancements as well.
Happy recording.
You can use APS with another card provided the other card isn't a piece of junk with drivers programmed by drunken chimpanzees. But yeah, even with good components some PCs are very uncooperative little bastards so I can see where you're coming from.
As for the SRC issue with APS, yes it's a problem but then again for the price the APS is one outstanding product. Maybe it is not a true "pro" product...but again, for the money it is THE best thing on the market IMHO. Just remember, record and mix everything at 48kz until you are ready to 'master' to CD (i.e. in Soundforge or whatever.) A SRC UP to to 48 from 44.1 isn't really a bad thing.
As for switching to Soundfont, that's a bummer but over time that will absolutely work in your favor. Besides, Emu is selling boatloads of great samples for almost nothing.
As for the effects, they are described accurately above. Look for future enhancements as well.
Happy recording.
Message 12/16 19-Dec-98 @ 02:09 PM - RE: APS effects
A comment on APS not being a professional card.
I guess that it isn't really possible to decide whether it is a professional card or not. It's up to the individual producer to decide subjectively. I don't think that Michael Jackson or any of these guys uses APS to record his albums, but I think that that goes for the competing products as well. My point is that APS is a better product than the products used by professionals to make commercial albums only a few years ago.
Rafael
I guess that it isn't really possible to decide whether it is a professional card or not. It's up to the individual producer to decide subjectively. I don't think that Michael Jackson or any of these guys uses APS to record his albums, but I think that that goes for the competing products as well. My point is that APS is a better product than the products used by professionals to make commercial albums only a few years ago.
Rafael
Message 13/16 19-Dec-98 @ 04:52 PM - RE: APS effects
So just to get this right....
The APS uses system ram to hold the soundfont banks. I'm considering getting one, and my system is a p166 w/ 64megs of ram and I'm running cakewalk 7 pro audio. I generally create a drum track in fruitloops or rebirth (mod), then I'd use the sound fonts to put bass and backing tracks, then have one or two patches to play live.
Does this system seem workable with my lower end system (according to the aps specs)?
Thankz
LB
The APS uses system ram to hold the soundfont banks. I'm considering getting one, and my system is a p166 w/ 64megs of ram and I'm running cakewalk 7 pro audio. I generally create a drum track in fruitloops or rebirth (mod), then I'd use the sound fonts to put bass and backing tracks, then have one or two patches to play live.
Does this system seem workable with my lower end system (according to the aps specs)?
Thankz
LB
Message 14/16 19-Dec-98 @ 05:14 PM - RE: APS effects
Thanx Scooby, Good to hear some more comments. Still sticking with the Terrortec, as Rafael calls it till 1999. Kilo says that he is gonna do an A/B test with a few cards in Jan 1999 so I'm looking forward to that. That 48 kz thing isn't a problem for me as I would be able to go digitat 48 kz out of the APS to pre selected 48 kz in of my VS-1680. Then do the final conversion within that machine. Sounds like alot of you guys are very happy with your machine which is bloody rare, ESPECIALLY relating to soundcards. Merry Christmas to eveyone if it has a special meaning like , Yorkshire pudding , Presents and and wearing funny hats. Dale
Message 15/16 19-Dec-98 @ 07:12 PM - RE: APS effects
Lettus Be
Your machine is just fine. When I was buying APS it was demoed to me on a P133 32Mb. The only thing that took time in Windows was drawing the mixer-window. It took few secs (I don't remember - maby up to 5 sec.). On my machine, a p300 96Mb it still takes a sec or two. Playing the APS-demoes on the p133 machine went successfully as well. I couldn't notice any delays while playing the song. E-MU says that APS can be used with a P133 but they recommend using it with a p200.
Ram is not a problem. You can't use more then 32Mb in soundfonts anyway, no matther how much RAM you have onboard, because APS won't let you.
Rafael
Your machine is just fine. When I was buying APS it was demoed to me on a P133 32Mb. The only thing that took time in Windows was drawing the mixer-window. It took few secs (I don't remember - maby up to 5 sec.). On my machine, a p300 96Mb it still takes a sec or two. Playing the APS-demoes on the p133 machine went successfully as well. I couldn't notice any delays while playing the song. E-MU says that APS can be used with a P133 but they recommend using it with a p200.
Ram is not a problem. You can't use more then 32Mb in soundfonts anyway, no matther how much RAM you have onboard, because APS won't let you.
Rafael
Message 16/16 20-Dec-98 @ 01:01 AM - RE: APS effects
HAS ANYONE USED THE PHANTOM POWER ON THE APS WITH A DECENT CONDENSER MIC LIKE THE AKG C-3000? IS IT NOISY?AND IS THE MIXER ANY GOOD?I HAVE PRO AUDIO 8{CAKEWALK}IS THE APS COMPATIBLE?IM SERIOUS ABOUT GETTING EXCELLENT RESULTS AND DONT WANT TO WASTE MONEY ON THIS WHEN I CAN WAIT AND SAVE FOR THE ENSONIQ PARIS JOINT.............IT WOULD BE NICE TO SAVE A FEW DOLLARS...........PEACE.....LUCIANO
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