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Original Message Date: 16-Feb-03 @ 08:54 AM Edit: 16-Feb-03 | 08:57 AM - Anti-War reports from across the wo

Zazza

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600 cities around the world see anti-war protests

Just a few of the thousands of reports from around the world..

Worldwide
New York
Australia
London
France
Belfast
New Zealand
Seattle
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Glasgow
Rome

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Message 11/17 20-Feb-03 @ 04:14 PM - RE: Anti-War reports from across the wo

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protests do nothing unless they are something that are completely obstructive to the point of shutting down all vehicular movement except ambulances and fire vehicles, so that even Ma and Pa kettle have to listen up as to why they can't get to the store to get another can of pork and beens and the blue collar fellow doesn't have his beer or can get to work, and there's no game on for him to shut out everybody else's problems with. Just talking does nothing. Actions do not have to be physically violent, but they have to be impacting, and that menas not permitted, and it also means that folks have to learn how to stand up to the police and fight back in non-injurious, and non-lethal ways. Otherwise, protestors are just yakking mouths, and the working folks just cover their ears, and put their tunnel vision blinders on, and go off to another day of work on the farm, and the machine continues to run unhindered, and unabashed.

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Message 12/17 20-Feb-03 @ 09:38 PM - RE: Anti-War reports from across the wo

Zazza

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Maybe those protests 'impacted' on people's hearts?

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Message 13/17 21-Feb-03 @ 02:30 AM Edit: 21-Feb-03 | 02:34 AM - RE: Anti-War reports from across the wo

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Thoughts have to be turned into action getting an emotional,fuzzy,solidarity type feeling won't change the situation,wide sweeping,fundamental,and painful,political changes have to take place,in order to avoid a situation of continual conflict,power must be devolved to more people and peoples the only way to safely handle power is to share it.Those who hold the power now will stop at nothing to keep it look at their laws,police enforcers, and their military.If anyone was to seriously threaten their position,whether citizen or alien,they would be attacked with no mercy with everything from slander to assassination,and war.

They'll keep an eye on the protest organizers for future reference but they will probably discount a large proportion of the protesters saying things like"Of course we take heed of your protest,we're a listening democracy" which basically means "shout and bawl all you like because you don't really matter that much unless you riot or strike,at which point we will set the dogs on you".

Maintaining an anti war opinion would be very hard work I suspect for many of the protesters,if we had nerve gas attacks on the tube,and radioactive waste being exploded in big cities.In such a case scenario I firmly believe the vast majority of people would be firmly behind government led military and police action all it takes is a few such incidents and people would be all for the government having full "lock up throwaway the key no questions asked" type powers.No single nation or culture can be allowed to hold the power over so many peoples lives to themselves.

If ever there was a need for a popular referendum,going to war is it,it is the most drastic decision that a country can make and if circumstances are so drastic that war is required we the people should be privy to those drastic circumstances and none of this national security bullshit(that comes from the same book as the term reasonably practicable).That is what the protestors should have at the least been asking for in my opinion.I mean we the people pay for the weapons,transport,and supplies,we the people supply the cannon fodder,and we the people bear the brunt of retaliation so surely we should be given accurate facts and solid evidence and then we should,as a nation in a national referendum,vote for yea or nay.Isn't that what free democracy is supposed to be like?

All this talk of "hawks" and "doves" and now "owls"(wise statesmen who want peace but will go to war if necessary but who want to prepare the ground thoroughly using diplomacy etc.)is tv marketing bullshit and is purely designed to manipulate public opinion into agreeing with war"that owl dude says we should attack and he's a wise guy who's into peace so it must be serious let's get into them".

The majority of those in power want war and war they will have unless they are actively stopped and I'm sorry to say cnd badges and protests don't make it.

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Message 14/17 21-Feb-03 @ 05:37 AM Edit: 21-Feb-03 | 05:38 AM - RE: Anti-War reports from across the wo

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Pict: 'getting an emotional,fuzzy,solidarity type feeling won't change the situation'

Go tell that to Jesus..

Pict: 'Maintaining an anti war opinion would be very hard work I suspect for many of the protesters,if we had nerve gas attacks on the tube,and radioactive waste being exploded in big cities.'

I can't bring to mind the last time Iraq directly attacked or funded any terrorism on the UK or the US.. perhaps you could enlighten me?

Pict: 'If ever there was a need for a popular referendum,going to war...'

I seem to remember 'Not in our Name' being a common slogan at the protests...

Pict: 'The majority of those in power want war and war they will have unless they are actively stopped and I'm sorry to say cnd badges and protests don't make it.'

So what do you suggest exactly? Don't bother, human shields, what?

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Message 15/17 21-Feb-03 @ 06:06 AM - RE: Anti-War reports from across the wo

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why don't we all stop paying taxes and smoke pot. wtf are they gonna do, throw us ALL in jail???

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Message 16/17 21-Feb-03 @ 06:10 AM - RE: Anti-War reports from across the wo

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sorry to make light of a serious discussion, but every time I read about our people-elected and people-funded government doing things without the people's knowledge or doing something against the majority's wishes, it makes me wanna kick something in the nuts, so I talk about pot and other such 'frivolities' to keep myself from being the kind of hater that makes the world what it is. I mean, who the FUCK do these people think they are??? Oh yeah, the kind of government the ignorant populace allowed them to become. Almost forgot.

Jesus, that and I'm outta pot, which is REALLY pissing me off.

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Message 17/17 21-Feb-03 @ 06:21 PM - RE: Anti-War reports from across the wo

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Oh Psy, you're just a stoner... admit it! ;)

More of the same, wrangle wrangle.

What's sad to me is that the US administration and Tony Blair have managed to take advantage of the deep hidden bigotry the western world harbors for muslims. It all comes down to Muslims knocked down the buildings, so Muslims are fair game, et al. And too many of us are thick headed enough that we don't see the manipulation. Really look at the "evidence"... there's nothing at all that shows Al Qaeda and Saddam working together. The most damning evidence is that some Al Qaeda members are living in Iraq! Well surprise, they live in the US too!!! And we have a much more definable since of control over our nation than Saddam has over his!

But no matter the circumstances there are too many sheep in this westernized world who feel that because "they're ragheads" they're all in the same bucket! Which is exactly the kind of thinking that made these terrorists able to rationalize killing Western civilians in their war against Western policy makers!

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