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Subject: RB 338 uses SAMPLES !!!!!!
Original Message Date: 07-Aug-97 @ 10:39 PM - RB 338 uses SAMPLES !!!!!!
Itīs no fake !
The TR808 from Rebirth RB 338 uses
AIF (Macintosh) Audio Files (Samples).
No Physical Modeling, just Samples !!!!
Thatīs true and no Fake, you can easyly
exchange the Samples with your own (TR909s for
example).
All you need is RIPPER5 and HEXEDIT !!!!!
Holger
Hey Kilo,
soon i send a modificated RB338 Demoversion with
909 Samples to you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Heads are liers !!!!!!!!
They have done such a good Job and normally have
no need to tell the untruth about the Samples...
Itīs no shame to use Samples (even when you
have so nice Microsynths besides the SamplePlayer)
The TR808 from Rebirth RB 338 uses
AIF (Macintosh) Audio Files (Samples).
No Physical Modeling, just Samples !!!!
Thatīs true and no Fake, you can easyly
exchange the Samples with your own (TR909s for
example).
All you need is RIPPER5 and HEXEDIT !!!!!
Holger
Hey Kilo,
soon i send a modificated RB338 Demoversion with
909 Samples to you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Heads are liers !!!!!!!!
They have done such a good Job and normally have
no need to tell the untruth about the Samples...
Itīs no shame to use Samples (even when you
have so nice Microsynths besides the SamplePlayer)
Message 11/18 08-Aug-97 @ 05:00 PM - RE: RB 338 uses SAMPLES !!!!!!
nbenford@mindspring.com..... cHEERZ M8 ;)
Message 13/18 08-Aug-97 @ 05:29 PM - RE: RB 338 uses SAMPLES !!!!!!
Hit the search button on your browser, type in hexedit, and you're there dude !!!
Message 14/18 08-Aug-97 @ 06:00 PM - RE: RB 338 uses SAMPLES !!!!!!
Von: maingate@propellerheads.se (Propellerhead Software)
Datum: 08.08.97, 14:46:01
Betreff: Re: virtual?
>Some People want to use a 909; so why you donīt
>put a Sample Load dialogue box into the Prog where, the user
>can select other Samples than the included 808 ones?
People who have access to resource editors can do anything they want with
the samples, we don't care. Every day some dude chokes our mail server by
sending a modified version of RB-338, with this and that drumsound
replaced. It's cool by us but we wish people stopped sending us 4 meg mails.
>And why are u telling the untruth about the 808 ?
We have never said that the 808 doesn't use samples. The text you're
quoting ("Rebirth uses virtual modeling to emulate each sound filter and
function of a
real TB-303 and TR-808 synthesizer. Rebirth doesn't use sound samples to
recreate an authentic sound--instead it uses physical modeling to emulate the
instabilities of analog hardware.") was not written by us.
>Whatīs this "cowbell" Shit in the broschure !
You're referring to "even that cowbell..."? It's a shitty sound. It
deserved some kind of comment.
>So, SampleHeads - whatīs up now?
A) You're making such a big deal out of it, it's like you've made this
groundbreaking discovery. Everybody KNOWS that it's sample based. We're not
trying to hide it since it's totally obvious. Any idiot can figure out that
if it takes a Pentium to recreate two oscillators (i.e. two 303s) in
realtime, it would take about 16 Pentium Pro266 MMX to recreate an 808 with
virtual modelling since each sound in the 808 has its own oscillators, up
to four of them. A Pentium 100 would crash at the mere idea of calculating
the 808 cymbal in real time.
B) SampleHeads is another company, see www.sampleheads.com.
> Why an 808, why not the 909? There are many answers to that question.
> We are of course perfectly aware that the 909 is the obvious choice
> for a virtual techno studio. We picked the 808 because it's a 100%
> analog machine which is totally in line with the whole idea of
> ReBirth, whileas the 909 contains samples.
And where in the above text do we say that our 808 is NOT sample based?
> While an ordinary sample of an 808 snare might sound as good as one
> snare hit from our 808, there's a big difference when playing back a
> complete pattern. The real thing is analog and there are small
> variations in sound from, beat to beat, which we recreate.
The above is 100% true, since we DON'T use one single sample to recreate
the snare. The variations in the 808 sound are due to the white noise part
of the sound. Therefor we sampled four different white noise waves. Each
time the snare is played, one of these four samples is picked at random.
The snare consists of 6 samples and two filters in total.
Regards,
Fredrik Hagglund
Propellerhead Software
Datum: 08.08.97, 14:46:01
Betreff: Re: virtual?
>Some People want to use a 909; so why you donīt
>put a Sample Load dialogue box into the Prog where, the user
>can select other Samples than the included 808 ones?
People who have access to resource editors can do anything they want with
the samples, we don't care. Every day some dude chokes our mail server by
sending a modified version of RB-338, with this and that drumsound
replaced. It's cool by us but we wish people stopped sending us 4 meg mails.
>And why are u telling the untruth about the 808 ?
We have never said that the 808 doesn't use samples. The text you're
quoting ("Rebirth uses virtual modeling to emulate each sound filter and
function of a
real TB-303 and TR-808 synthesizer. Rebirth doesn't use sound samples to
recreate an authentic sound--instead it uses physical modeling to emulate the
instabilities of analog hardware.") was not written by us.
>Whatīs this "cowbell" Shit in the broschure !
You're referring to "even that cowbell..."? It's a shitty sound. It
deserved some kind of comment.
>So, SampleHeads - whatīs up now?
A) You're making such a big deal out of it, it's like you've made this
groundbreaking discovery. Everybody KNOWS that it's sample based. We're not
trying to hide it since it's totally obvious. Any idiot can figure out that
if it takes a Pentium to recreate two oscillators (i.e. two 303s) in
realtime, it would take about 16 Pentium Pro266 MMX to recreate an 808 with
virtual modelling since each sound in the 808 has its own oscillators, up
to four of them. A Pentium 100 would crash at the mere idea of calculating
the 808 cymbal in real time.
B) SampleHeads is another company, see www.sampleheads.com.
> Why an 808, why not the 909? There are many answers to that question.
> We are of course perfectly aware that the 909 is the obvious choice
> for a virtual techno studio. We picked the 808 because it's a 100%
> analog machine which is totally in line with the whole idea of
> ReBirth, whileas the 909 contains samples.
And where in the above text do we say that our 808 is NOT sample based?
> While an ordinary sample of an 808 snare might sound as good as one
> snare hit from our 808, there's a big difference when playing back a
> complete pattern. The real thing is analog and there are small
> variations in sound from, beat to beat, which we recreate.
The above is 100% true, since we DON'T use one single sample to recreate
the snare. The variations in the 808 sound are due to the white noise part
of the sound. Therefor we sampled four different white noise waves. Each
time the snare is played, one of these four samples is picked at random.
The snare consists of 6 samples and two filters in total.
Regards,
Fredrik Hagglund
Propellerhead Software
Message 15/18 18-Aug-97 @ 09:23 PM - RE: RB 338 uses SAMPLES !!!!!!
Taken from the Heads Home:
-- No, not really. While an ordinary sample of an 808
-- snare might sound as good as one snare hit from our
-- 808, there's a big difference when playing back a
-- complete pattern.
-- The real thing is analog and there are small
-- variations in sound from, beat to beat,
-- which we recreate.
I hope the next Machine the Prop-Heads recreate, is
a Yamaha A300 Sampler...
Holger
-- No, not really. While an ordinary sample of an 808
-- snare might sound as good as one snare hit from our
-- 808, there's a big difference when playing back a
-- complete pattern.
-- The real thing is analog and there are small
-- variations in sound from, beat to beat,
-- which we recreate.
I hope the next Machine the Prop-Heads recreate, is
a Yamaha A300 Sampler...
Holger
Message 16/18 19-Aug-97 @ 12:53 AM - RE: RB 338 uses SAMPLES !!!!!!
Yup......it's true what he says........just like vinyl & cd's......cd's just dont hum !!.......but it's suitable for alot of peoples needs !
Message 17/18 19-Aug-97 @ 02:47 PM - RE: RB 338 uses SAMPLES !!!!!!
anybody got a modified 909 version then , cos i cant be bothered rippin` and trippin` for hours ;)
Message 18/18 22-Aug-97 @ 08:35 AM - RE: RB 338 uses SAMPLES !!!!!!
Yeah, has anybody got a version, how about that wideboy at the top there?, it would be a real help out guys
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