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Subject: ANYONE OUT THERE GOT THE PERFECT KICK DRUM??!
Original Message Date: 08-Oct-00 @ 04:34 PM - ANYONE OUT THERE GOT THE PERFECT KICK DRUM??!
RUMLADMAFF
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HELLO TECH-HEADS! I'VE JUST TODAY DISCOVERED THIS TIDY SITE AND WAS WONDERING IF ANY OF YOU CAN HELP ME OUT?? I'M SEARCHING (IN VAIN) FOR THE PERFECT KICK DRUM!! I HAVE A FAIRLY LARGE AMOUNT OF GEAR (INCLUDING A NOVATION DRUMSTATION AND SHITLOADS OF KICKS ON SAMPLE CD'S) BUT GENERALLY ALL MY KICK DRUMS SOUND LIKE A BAG OF SHITE.........I HAVE TRIED LOADS OF TECHNIQUES LIKE RADICAL EQ'ING, LEAVING EQ FLAT, COMPRESSION, ETC, BUT TO NO AVAIL. I SEEM TO HAVE A HARD TIME WHEN IT COMES TO EQ AND MAKING GOOD SOUNDING FINAL MIXES - PERHAPS MY EARS ARE JUST SHAGGED??!? I MONITOR THROUGH A SERVO AMP AND KRK K-ROKS, AND THE KICK ALWAYS SOUNDS SHIT! I REALISE THAT WHEN YOU LISTEN TO STUFF RECORDED OFF THE RADIO THAT'S IT'S HEAVILY COMPRESSED, ETC, AND SO IS THEREFORE BOUND TO SOUND PHATTER, BUT THEN YOU LISTEN TO SOME CD OF TRACKS THAT AREN'T OFF VINYL/RADIO, ETC, AND THEY HAVE THE MOST PERFECT, THUMPING, PUNCHY, DUBBY KICK THAT MAKES ME SICK WITH ENVY!!! AAARRRGGHHH! (THE TYPE OF DRUM YOU COULD LISTEN TO ON IT'S OWN FOREVER) PLEASE, PLEASE HELP ME.......SHOULD I SAMPLE OFF VINYL, GET A PHD IN SOUND ENGINEERING, START STALKING TIMO MAAS OR FUCK IT ALL AND JUST BUY A 909?!?!?!?? ANY HELP AT ALL WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED, THANKS LOADS, MAFF!
Message 11/21 10-Oct-00 @ 02:44 PM - RE: ANYONE OUT THERE GOT THE PERFECT KICK DRUM??!
ah well.... it just goes to show what utter bollox is written in speaker advertising copy.... you used to 'know' your old memorex speakers & how to mix on them, but you obviously dont yet 'know' the k-roks i guess.... oh and dont eq stuff BEFORE recording it, eq AFTER it is recorded, that way you always have the full eq spectrum available to try a new eq setting, but if you record the kik with say a big 80hz cut, then you cant add 80hz boost if you try to re-eq it after recording..
Message 12/21 10-Oct-00 @ 08:48 PM - RE: ANYONE OUT THERE GOT THE PERFECT KICK DRUM??!
k,damballah you think I should go with ns10s i saw a picture of playfords rig and he had em with some full size monitors to boot is this how i should set up my studio if I'm gettin serious?
Message 13/21 10-Oct-00 @ 09:03 PM - RE: ANYONE OUT THERE GOT THE PERFECT KICK DRUM??!
Ns10's=no bass(real bass),they are brilliant for rock n roll and all that but when it comes to drum n bass you should look elsewhere.
so there is no magical way of cutting the cable out of its housing or doubling it up in the insert,why don't my speakers work at all if i wire them out of phase,is there some sort of phase resistance in my preamp?(just wondering)
so there is no magical way of cutting the cable out of its housing or doubling it up in the insert,why don't my speakers work at all if i wire them out of phase,is there some sort of phase resistance in my preamp?(just wondering)
Message 14/21 10-Oct-00 @ 09:43 PM - RE: ANYONE OUT THERE GOT THE PERFECT KICK DRUM??!
Talking about NS-10s is a good way of getting people fighting. I hear a great deal about ear fatigue from people who use them lots. Some people swear by them. Some use them in conjunction with large monitors (like that playford photo you saw). Some hate the shit out of them.
Message 15/21 10-Oct-00 @ 10:18 PM - RE: ANYONE OUT THERE GOT THE PERFECT KICK DRUM??!
I sat and chatted with playford for about 30 mins. at Zen97 I was the only person who recognized him.He seems like a real cool guy.He gave me his email but I lost it oh well.Good conversation though.After he spun his set people started talking to him then.Everybody was pissed Goldie didn't show but later on i read they had trouble that week.The first thing i said to him was I didn't really care if goldie showed because i knew who the brains were anyway.I guess that disarmed him he didn't walk away we just finished our conversation and parted ways after he spun I told him wicked set and went about tripping to the dots 
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Message 16/21 11-Oct-00 @ 06:17 PM - RE: ANYONE OUT THERE GOT THE PERFECT KICK DRUM??!
yeah he seems like an intelligent chap,didn't he start moving shadow with a 48 page "how to start your own record label" book?
Message 17/21 11-Oct-00 @ 06:58 PM - RE: ANYONE OUT THERE GOT THE PERFECT KICK DRUM??!
Hey y'all.
I write progressive trance, which I know alot of people
don't like and will immediately discount what I say.
Regardless, I've been listening to and disecting sounds
and I've found a way to make some kick ass uh, kicks
for hard italian-style trance or techno.
The base is a 909 kick, of course. You need to
over-drive it hard, so it's a little distorted. Keep it
down to a short decay. Now add some reverse reverb and
pre-delay (reverse sample, add effect, record effected
sample and reverse again.) When you're done you should
have the reverb then a short pause then the kick. The
reverb should fall exactly between the bass kicks,
almost like a pedal bass effect. Split up or edit the
sample to make sure this is the case.
Lastly, add a sharp closed hi-hat with a really short
decay onto the kick. It's been used alot, but subtle
mixing and EQ'ing can creat lots of interesting
combinations.
Experimenting with different reverse reverbs can create
some awesome punchy kicks that really get people off
their asses and onto the dance fl
I write progressive trance, which I know alot of people
don't like and will immediately discount what I say.
Regardless, I've been listening to and disecting sounds
and I've found a way to make some kick ass uh, kicks
for hard italian-style trance or techno.
The base is a 909 kick, of course. You need to
over-drive it hard, so it's a little distorted. Keep it
down to a short decay. Now add some reverse reverb and
pre-delay (reverse sample, add effect, record effected
sample and reverse again.) When you're done you should
have the reverb then a short pause then the kick. The
reverb should fall exactly between the bass kicks,
almost like a pedal bass effect. Split up or edit the
sample to make sure this is the case.
Lastly, add a sharp closed hi-hat with a really short
decay onto the kick. It's been used alot, but subtle
mixing and EQ'ing can creat lots of interesting
combinations.
Experimenting with different reverse reverbs can create
some awesome punchy kicks that really get people off
their asses and onto the dance fl
Message 18/21 12-Oct-00 @ 12:06 AM - RE: ANYONE OUT THERE GOT THE PERFECT KICK DRUM??!
RUMLADMAFF
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thanks for the advice everyone, it's all part of the learning curve i suppose! actually, since i've been messing around recently, i powered up the novation drumstation again, wrote a quick drumtrack and recorded it all (flat) into vst audio.....i then added a small and extremely subtle dark reverb, and added shitloads of compression (slow attack, medium release) with the kwik-comp plug-in i downloaded off this very website............i then re-recorded another two takes of the wav, but with varying eq's - roll the bass off slightly, etc - i finally burnt them quickly onto a cd, whacked it in the car stereo and BANG!!! i have found a nigh-on perfect kick!! (bearing in mind the oversized subs in my car) it sounds tight and punchy, more like the solid pure 909 kick that you hear on all those old f*cked up detroit techno tracks...the ones where you just knew the bloke was sat there with nowt but a 909, 303 and a juno 6!!! it also has a similar sound to the cleaner, more melodic stuff on some of sasha's compilations......ace!! i do think that i am now starting to realise how important compression, etc, is. right, i'm off... (looking forward to that reverse reverb trick gg, and thanks h, k and jasper for the suggestions) all the best, maff.
Message 19/21 12-Oct-00 @ 08:56 AM - RE: ANYONE OUT THERE GOT THE PERFECT KICK DRUM??!
I'm not sure about his book I thought that was the KLF?Ilike Rob very much and ou always know you'll get quality out of moving shadow.Although some dj/producers are assholes.I showed up at Dom&Roland's gig with my camera after talking to a local promoter and when I got there he said it's in their contract not to be videoed.I just wanted to ask him some intelligent questions about production techniques instesd of the usual wher ya from what kind of sneakers you wear dribble.I'm sure Rob would have had no problemw/ free publicity.The original intention of illjamz.com(my url) was to provide useful info for people like us who have almost got our foot in the door all the way down to those of us who ask questions like what is the best mixer for trance.Rockstar attitudes suck.I promise that as long as i live when i blow up you will still be able to walk up to me and have a conversation w/ me about my music without trying to act like I'm the star and you should just run along.My inspiration has come from the people in the club scene so why should i, just because i have been given a gift to make people dance turn my back on the very people who make it possible for me to express myself w/ technology?
Hank D(electro/acid) alter ego Dubtronik(drumnbass/dubby2step)
Hank D(electro/acid) alter ego Dubtronik(drumnbass/dubby2step)
Message 20/21 12-Oct-00 @ 12:26 PM - RE: ANYONE OUT THERE GOT THE PERFECT KICK DRUM??!
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HALLELUJAH!
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