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Original Message Date: 10-Feb-03 @ 06:39 PM - iraqi oil

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came across this:

"At present, oil companies from France, Russia, and China have contracts to help develop Iraqi oil fields. Europe depends far more upon oil from Iraq than America (only a tiny fraction of U.S. oil comes from Iraq, about six percent). Oil from Iraq, indeed oil from the entire Middle East, ranks higher among European national interests than American. For some years, the United States has been moving to draw the preponderance of its oil from our own hemisphere, mostly from Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela, and to cut back steadily on its use of Middle Eastern oil, to the level now of 26 percent of its annual. Europe is far more dependent on Iraqi oil, and far more involved with the Iraqi oil industry. I believe the U.S. should form a consortium of nations currently under contract to develop Iraq's oil fields, prominently including Italy, France, Russia, and China."

from http://www.nationalreview.com/novak/novak021003.asp

and my reason for posting it is to ask, if oil were not a factor, what would people say it would be?

its easy to say the US "wants the oil" but if we only get 6% from iraq and only 25% from the mideast in general it seems europe has a much larger interest in iraqi oil than the usa...

i am not trying to sway anyone one way or the other, just curious as to what the "2nd" reason would be...

should this be in the "bush is a *****" thread? :-)

jamey

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Message 11/40 11-Feb-03 @ 04:20 AM - RE: iraqi oil

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who ever said it was simple ?

still, we can see trough the veil of lies that has beeen woven before our eyes.

the writting on the wall indeed...

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Message 12/40 11-Feb-03 @ 04:21 AM - RE: iraqi oil

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who ever said it was simple ?

still, we can see trough the veil of lies that has been woven before our eyes.

the writting on the wall ...

all bow to the glittering pie...

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Message 13/40 11-Feb-03 @ 04:23 AM - RE: iraqi oil

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fook, goes to show why you have to log in to spell check

sight...

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Message 14/40 11-Feb-03 @ 05:24 AM - RE: iraqi oil

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Im starting to see more and more, but at the same time, I still dont claim to understand

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Message 15/40 11-Feb-03 @ 07:12 AM - RE: iraqi oil

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What's wrong with Ethanol, I still don't get it.
Its viable its renewable, there are plenty of cheap farmers to make it, its happening already in some parts of the world, its got a high octane rate but so does unleaded petrol. But its not as wizz bang as Hydrogen, Whats the deal?

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Message 16/40 11-Feb-03 @ 07:48 AM - RE: iraqi oil

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"Im starting to see more and more, but at the same time, I still dont claim to understand"

neither do i. if i did, i'd be imprisoned. shhhh.... loose lips sink ships

boy, am i waiting to sink my ship into your lips

(not especialy directed at fluxie)

ps: steef send me your bro's e-mail :P

i am intoxicated, but then, i'm the variable

am i being too personnal ?

hits close to home ?

i live by the river too, you know.

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Message 17/40 11-Feb-03 @ 12:31 PM - RE: iraqi oil

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Again I ask if it was always this obvious/disgusting (as i get older and realise familiar themes from history) or is it actually getting worse (like the coalition of proven methods to the masses over(opporessor2oppressor communications). Maybe a third way that it is all a natural process in the rise and fall of societies.

Is chaos prefferable to powerless subjugation

Is the end nigh?

bring out your dead

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Message 18/40 11-Feb-03 @ 02:57 PM - RE: iraqi oil

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yes, it always been this obvious.

skulls and bones full my closet is of

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Message 19/40 11-Feb-03 @ 03:43 PM - RE: iraqi oil

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There is 25 times more oil in Iraq than in the whole of the north sea. Its the best grade aswell. Me thinks Bush wants some. Maybe not right now but definately in the future.

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Message 20/40 11-Feb-03 @ 04:47 PM - RE: iraqi oil

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I agree with influx here in that I don't think many people outside the penatgon really know the motivation right now. not saying people shouldn't share and speculate. I think it's some combination of: (1) wagging the dog (how much do you hear about Enron these days?),(2) oil-related, (3) a pretext for decreased social spending, (4) things like http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0207-10.htm (5) a bunch of stuff none of us know a damn thing about.

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