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Subject: Destroy All Media
Original Message Date: 05-May-03 @ 11:26 PM - Destroy All Media
check this out:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/05/04/IN164833.DTL
What's your take on all this you guys? Some extremely lucid points here... A good read!
e
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/05/04/IN164833.DTL
What's your take on all this you guys? Some extremely lucid points here... A good read!
e
Message 11/53 07-May-03 @ 05:39 AM - RE: Destroy All Media
yeah, the guy is one of these bright folks who craft's good arguments without acknowledging the whole picture...
What struck me most was the bit about "damned fine music was made before the recording of music" or however he said it! What he fails to mention is that most of those great musicians/composers lived as indentured servants to their moneyed supporters!
It is a fine pipe dream... and he makes a decent point in that most artists can't make a living at it NOW!!!! so what's the harm? but I dunno... Wondering over here at where a median can be found.
Influx is sooooooooo right. It is mostly brats STEALING music and then trying to justify it as punk rock! shrug, what else is new?
e
What struck me most was the bit about "damned fine music was made before the recording of music" or however he said it! What he fails to mention is that most of those great musicians/composers lived as indentured servants to their moneyed supporters!
It is a fine pipe dream... and he makes a decent point in that most artists can't make a living at it NOW!!!! so what's the harm? but I dunno... Wondering over here at where a median can be found.
Influx is sooooooooo right. It is mostly brats STEALING music and then trying to justify it as punk rock! shrug, what else is new?
e
Message 12/53 07-May-03 @ 07:34 PM - RE: Destroy All Media
oh, influx, without a doubt, without a doubt..
did i ever tell the one about the woman in the nursery? i'm watering 15 gallon citrus so she might not have seen me.. parks her stroller, starts tickling the kid.. soon the kid ain't larfin, the kid is cryin.. then screamin.. then it goes on, and the empathic sensations i'm getting from it are like passing my first big kidney stones, the ones that rip thru your gut doubled over immobilised for hours... and she's saying.. "the tiger's got you.. the tiger's got you now.."
without pain, there is no drive
circumcision is sex conditioning.. control by sex instinct..
think about nature. how many animals destroy wantonly, not out of need? wild dogs.. wild, domesticated dogs.. human children are taught to pull the wings off flies, cruelty doesn't come naturally.
did i ever tell the one about the woman in the nursery? i'm watering 15 gallon citrus so she might not have seen me.. parks her stroller, starts tickling the kid.. soon the kid ain't larfin, the kid is cryin.. then screamin.. then it goes on, and the empathic sensations i'm getting from it are like passing my first big kidney stones, the ones that rip thru your gut doubled over immobilised for hours... and she's saying.. "the tiger's got you.. the tiger's got you now.."
without pain, there is no drive
circumcision is sex conditioning.. control by sex instinct..think about nature. how many animals destroy wantonly, not out of need? wild dogs.. wild, domesticated dogs.. human children are taught to pull the wings off flies, cruelty doesn't come naturally.
Message 13/53 07-May-03 @ 07:46 PM - RE: Destroy All Media
you've told that story before XOXOS, and it's a good one.
We're too damned smart, is what it is! Too smart for our own good!
e
We're too damned smart, is what it is! Too smart for our own good!
e
Message 17/53 08-May-03 @ 03:37 AM Edit: 08-May-03 | 03:39 AM - RE: Destroy All Media
Argh, you non-bold-tag-ending mofo!
There. Begin 2 cents:
I've always thought that the arts go deep into poorly-understood aspects of our universe. Much more so than your average 9-5 "day job". I think (hope), one day, people will realize that you're not SUPPOSED to make gain from what you create. The only reason to do it is because it's what you want to do and that's beautiful. Perhaps the fall of the artistic industries will trickle down into more "trite" professions and society will finally realize that the race for the mighty dollar isn't the point.
The fact is that you CANNOT copy-protect information, be it a song, a movie, an algorithm, or WHATEVER... they just haven't come up with a way to make information "MINE". If this doesn't indicate a deeper, natural truth, then I don't know what does. Ideas are meant to be shared, without expectation of return. How on earth are we supposed to progress as a species otherwise?
Perhaps the reason you can't safeguard what you create is because it isn't yours. You pulled it from somewhere in the universe that belongs to everyone, and sudddenly thought you were hot shit and deserved reward for it. Your reward should be that you could tap into that unity in the first place.
Not everyone thinks like this, granted.
And I'm totally with you on the hipocrisy tip, influx. Lots of people love to spout off on a philisophical paradigm while breaking the laws of our current, physical one.... and still expecting to get theirs in the end. It's a delicate balance to live in the system given to you, and to dream in the other. It's something I struggle with daily...
psy
There. Begin 2 cents:
I've always thought that the arts go deep into poorly-understood aspects of our universe. Much more so than your average 9-5 "day job". I think (hope), one day, people will realize that you're not SUPPOSED to make gain from what you create. The only reason to do it is because it's what you want to do and that's beautiful. Perhaps the fall of the artistic industries will trickle down into more "trite" professions and society will finally realize that the race for the mighty dollar isn't the point.
The fact is that you CANNOT copy-protect information, be it a song, a movie, an algorithm, or WHATEVER... they just haven't come up with a way to make information "MINE". If this doesn't indicate a deeper, natural truth, then I don't know what does. Ideas are meant to be shared, without expectation of return. How on earth are we supposed to progress as a species otherwise?
Perhaps the reason you can't safeguard what you create is because it isn't yours. You pulled it from somewhere in the universe that belongs to everyone, and sudddenly thought you were hot shit and deserved reward for it. Your reward should be that you could tap into that unity in the first place.
Not everyone thinks like this, granted.
And I'm totally with you on the hipocrisy tip, influx. Lots of people love to spout off on a philisophical paradigm while breaking the laws of our current, physical one.... and still expecting to get theirs in the end. It's a delicate balance to live in the system given to you, and to dream in the other. It's something I struggle with daily...
psy
Message 18/53 08-May-03 @ 03:44 AM - RE: Destroy All Media
DAYAMMMMMM DUDE!!!
that was some DEEEEEP shit.
lemme go back and re-read that.
"Perhaps the reason you can't safeguard what you create is because it isn't yours. You pulled it from somewhere in the universe that belongs to everyone, and sudddenly thought you were hot shit and deserved reward for it. Your reward should be that you could tap into that unity in the first place."
man...for a skinny fuckin golf-player who wears halter tops while swinging tennis rackets you got some good insight there!
that was some DEEEEEP shit.
lemme go back and re-read that.
"Perhaps the reason you can't safeguard what you create is because it isn't yours. You pulled it from somewhere in the universe that belongs to everyone, and sudddenly thought you were hot shit and deserved reward for it. Your reward should be that you could tap into that unity in the first place."
man...for a skinny fuckin golf-player who wears halter tops while swinging tennis rackets you got some good insight there!
Message 19/53 08-May-03 @ 04:40 AM Edit: 08-May-03 | 04:41 AM - RE: Destroy All Media
I wasn't swinging that racket. I was rocking out to The Monkees' "Valerie"
And that's no lie. Did it for my "girlfriend" on a "date" in 3rd grade... that's how cool I looked doing it!
And that's no lie. Did it for my "girlfriend" on a "date" in 3rd grade... that's how cool I looked doing it!
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