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Forums - Synths & synthesis
Subject: Open Source
Original Message Date: 12-Mar-99 @ 02:44 PM - Open Source
Have you considered making your code open or semi open source? That would greatly expand the number of heads working at making your code tight, feature rich and bugfree. Also, if some one really wanted something unique, they could put it in.
Also, getting the rep of being the linux of synths couldn't be a bad thing.
Also, getting the rep of being the linux of synths couldn't be a bad thing.
Message 11/23 31-Mar-99 @ 07:44 PM - RE: Open Source
> Sorry to put a downer on
> this one but we will not
> release the source code.
It is a shame and certainly your loss.
> The Supernova's synthesis > engine is carefully
> engineered so that the
> maximum piplining is
> poossible.
Like no one else in the universe ever thought of that? Like you have the only hotshot programmers in the world? Give me a break.
> Having plugin's etc would
> ruin this process and make > the code very ineffeicent.
I'm not convinced that there would either be a signifcant
decrease in speed or that any loss of speed wouldn't be made up in gains of productivity. Loading just what is needed has its own advantages.
For example: Keep all of the modularity on the PC. When changes are made the active patches and moduals are compiled and a complete, fully optimized OS is loaded on to the supernova. Parts that are propritary could exist in a precompiled library.
This would speed up bug fixes and development as well.
> Great idea but practically
> it would not work.
It is a great idea because it does work.
> For the same reasons mods > to the code to customise
> it would result in the
> same problem.
There is absolutely nothing magical about your code.
In fact, it has taken you 3 releases just to get the code close to stable. There was room in your "optimized" code to go from 16 to 20 voices. You really expect me to believe your people are some kind of code gods? Give me a break.
> this one but we will not
> release the source code.
It is a shame and certainly your loss.
> The Supernova's synthesis > engine is carefully
> engineered so that the
> maximum piplining is
> poossible.
Like no one else in the universe ever thought of that? Like you have the only hotshot programmers in the world? Give me a break.
> Having plugin's etc would
> ruin this process and make > the code very ineffeicent.
I'm not convinced that there would either be a signifcant
decrease in speed or that any loss of speed wouldn't be made up in gains of productivity. Loading just what is needed has its own advantages.
For example: Keep all of the modularity on the PC. When changes are made the active patches and moduals are compiled and a complete, fully optimized OS is loaded on to the supernova. Parts that are propritary could exist in a precompiled library.
This would speed up bug fixes and development as well.
> Great idea but practically
> it would not work.
It is a great idea because it does work.
> For the same reasons mods > to the code to customise
> it would result in the
> same problem.
There is absolutely nothing magical about your code.
In fact, it has taken you 3 releases just to get the code close to stable. There was room in your "optimized" code to go from 16 to 20 voices. You really expect me to believe your people are some kind of code gods? Give me a break.
Message 12/23 01-Apr-99 @ 12:07 AM - RE: Open Source
hey i'm sorry to just enter your conversation thing with my little problem but i'd really like to know how you can get lyrics to songs on the internet. is there a site that i can go to find them?
dancer_chic7@hotmail.com
if any body knows just send me a quick e-mail and an address or whatever
dancer_chic7@hotmail.com
if any body knows just send me a quick e-mail and an address or whatever
Message 13/23 01-Apr-99 @ 01:27 PM - RE: Open Source
Guys!
What are you all on !
The SN is a musical instrument used for making music. If you really have the time to hold down a job (which I assume most of you do if you can afford the SN) and make music why on earth would you want to spend time poking around in the code of a synth. Do any of you have lives at all.
I was once a programmer in various laugages (including C) but the fundamental bordem of this really pretty basic task over took me. I now manage the worldwide support operations for a major telecomunications public network signalling equipement manufacturer.
Let me tell you right now that however good you think you are you will mess up Novations coding, you will need support and you will probably bugger up your SN as well.
I help support some of the most expirienced and well paid C programmer's on the planet, some of which work with our source code.
They regularly mess things up and often want to return hardware when it is really their coding at fault.
You have not a hope in hell of Novation releasing their code and Novation are absolutely right to take this attitude (are you all ready to download code version with viruses !).
Judging by much of the content of this site some of those included in this thread are not even able to program their own sounds on the SN what would you do with the code !
In addition some of you seem to have very little understaning of DSP programming or technology but are trying to give the impression that you have. If your good enough, have the relevent expirience and think you can do better, ask Novation for a Job.
However, having said all that it would be really good to see Novation bring out a system along the lines of the Nord Modular.
This unit does give the flexibilty that those wanting to access the code would have. In addition you could allow people to design their own modules which is a step Clavia have not yet taken.
Also I really would like to see the adoption of some sort of standard for plug ins for synths. Novation may not be able to offer this facility on the SN platform but this capability could certainly be produced. We are starting to see it on top end digital mixers (ok, the Mackie)and there is no good reason why it could not be done.
Now, why don't you go and knock out a new tune rather than spending your time thinking that access to code for the SN would improve your musical output. It wouldn't it would just waste your time.
Paul
What are you all on !
The SN is a musical instrument used for making music. If you really have the time to hold down a job (which I assume most of you do if you can afford the SN) and make music why on earth would you want to spend time poking around in the code of a synth. Do any of you have lives at all.
I was once a programmer in various laugages (including C) but the fundamental bordem of this really pretty basic task over took me. I now manage the worldwide support operations for a major telecomunications public network signalling equipement manufacturer.
Let me tell you right now that however good you think you are you will mess up Novations coding, you will need support and you will probably bugger up your SN as well.
I help support some of the most expirienced and well paid C programmer's on the planet, some of which work with our source code.
They regularly mess things up and often want to return hardware when it is really their coding at fault.
You have not a hope in hell of Novation releasing their code and Novation are absolutely right to take this attitude (are you all ready to download code version with viruses !).
Judging by much of the content of this site some of those included in this thread are not even able to program their own sounds on the SN what would you do with the code !
In addition some of you seem to have very little understaning of DSP programming or technology but are trying to give the impression that you have. If your good enough, have the relevent expirience and think you can do better, ask Novation for a Job.
However, having said all that it would be really good to see Novation bring out a system along the lines of the Nord Modular.
This unit does give the flexibilty that those wanting to access the code would have. In addition you could allow people to design their own modules which is a step Clavia have not yet taken.
Also I really would like to see the adoption of some sort of standard for plug ins for synths. Novation may not be able to offer this facility on the SN platform but this capability could certainly be produced. We are starting to see it on top end digital mixers (ok, the Mackie)and there is no good reason why it could not be done.
Now, why don't you go and knock out a new tune rather than spending your time thinking that access to code for the SN would improve your musical output. It wouldn't it would just waste your time.
Paul
Message 14/23 01-Apr-99 @ 11:36 PM - RE: Open Source
Hey guys, don't you see that this discussion has been finished by Phill's thread of March 16th ?
Message 15/23 02-Apr-99 @ 02:19 PM - RE: Open Source
Yo Swarm...chill... I am not the big green monster!!!
Phill@Novation
Phill@Novation
Message 16/23 08-Apr-99 @ 08:09 PM - RE: Open Source
Paul - stick with management it is where you belong.
Phill, I am chill.
I'm also not impressed by you claims that novation's coders know best.
Given your current bugs and delays, I'm not even sure they are adequate.
You haven't answered any of the points I raised.
Have you considered setting up the board so that the most recent post is at the top?
Phill, I am chill.
I'm also not impressed by you claims that novation's coders know best.
Given your current bugs and delays, I'm not even sure they are adequate.
You haven't answered any of the points I raised.
Have you considered setting up the board so that the most recent post is at the top?
Message 17/23 08-Apr-99 @ 09:50 PM - RE: Open Source
Would a bank offer all it's investment strategies to the competition?
Get real...
However...if your shit hot we would like to know!!
Contact us...
Phill@Novation
Get real...
However...if your shit hot we would like to know!!
Contact us...
Phill@Novation
Message 18/23 13-Apr-99 @ 11:41 AM - RE: Open Source
Swarm. No managemnt is not where I belong, it's where I choose to be.
If you really find the monotony of computer programming interesting then that's just fine. Let's face it, it's a pretty straight forward task.
Paul
If you really find the monotony of computer programming interesting then that's just fine. Let's face it, it's a pretty straight forward task.
Paul
Message 19/23 13-Apr-99 @ 04:48 PM - RE: Open Source
Totally agreed! Designing features is much more interesting than implementing them...
Mickey.
(by the way, I'm a student of computer science :-))
Mickey.
(by the way, I'm a student of computer science :-))
Message 20/23 22-May-99 @ 01:27 AM - RE: Open Source
Guys,
If you need to get source code for Analogue Synth modelling then look no further than amazon.com under MIDI & DSP books. There's plenty to go around. Put your Visual C++ disk in and write your own.
I however, prefer to use the machines for what they are made for (with their shortcomings), making music on.
If you need to get source code for Analogue Synth modelling then look no further than amazon.com under MIDI & DSP books. There's plenty to go around. Put your Visual C++ disk in and write your own.
I however, prefer to use the machines for what they are made for (with their shortcomings), making music on.
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