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Original Message Date: 24-Sep-02 @ 05:37 AM - Faith

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Persuant to another thread in another forum in another land...

I'm really curious about the kinds of things we put our faith into. There's a lot of talk about various religions and the differences between them lately, but a lot of the talk sounds like a book report. What I mean is, it sounds like well-collected information culled from various readings (most of them from reputable sources, no doubt) used to form an opinion about a subject. The problem is that we can't read everything. And even if we could, reading without bias does not occur. You have an opinion before you start that affects everything that passes through you, and you only take what you feel is important. It just seems like a snowball effect that leaves you old, bitter towards the world, and highly opinionated (often complaining about how others are stubborn in their reasoning... etc....)

I think live, interactive debate cannot be surpassed as a learning experience. To really take in someone else's view on life and the things that are important to them is one of the greatest gifts we have (it's reflected in our music, and subsequent appreciation of each other's creations). The same biases can take place as in reading, but I think the dynamic nature of a conversation eliminates unchecked bias without reason.

Ok, now to my point. I was raised Christian. My mother is very active in the church, and follows very conservative Christian values. I used to be very active in the church with youth groups, mission work, and stuff like that. After the self-exploration that is college, I strayed away (does this sound familiar to anyone?) My mother and I lately have been getting into spiritual conversations, and she is ever more vocal about her disappointment in the direction my beliefs are heading.

I want to know what it is about Christianity that makes it so prevalent in today's society? I mean, millions of people don't choose this lifestyle just because their parents did. I know that Christianity goes deep, I've just never felt it. And I don't want slagging answers from non-Christians... "it's a crutch, a lie, a shame, etc." I've heard all that and I don't learn a thing from it. I want a personal account of why someone puts their faith in Christian ideals.

And so help me if someone accuses someone else of trying to "force" their opinion on others, I'm gonna shit all over you because that stuff just kills the kind of debate that I'm looking for here. And I don't want philosophical ramblings that you've heard and can relate to and they sound cool, but they aren't you. I want only deep ideas that have really been thought out.

This kind of stuff is important to me, so please take this thread seriously. If the lounge is not the place for this kind of discussion, let me know and I'll take it elsewhere....?

Thanks for really thinking about it, guys. This could be really cool...

Dave

p.s. - Yes, Jamie, I know you're the resident Christian here, and I'm kinda hoping you'll help me start things here, if you want...

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Message 121/188 29-Sep-02 @ 12:17 AM - RE: Faith

psylichon

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you have that problem, too? I just reboot when that happens.

psylichon

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Message 122/188 29-Sep-02 @ 03:08 AM - RE: Faith

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no, p, not you. i get these people that pop out of nowhere (who are probably all votive) just to say i don't make sense, you know what i mean. really, it's just the people at work, so i've got to cut down on my venues for people to torment me with their horrible slavery compromised minds or my eye is going to start to bulge out of it's socket or something.

you see, i've been thinking, maybe they're right *nod~=wink*

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Message 123/188 29-Sep-02 @ 04:17 AM - RE: Faith

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Do you really want to make sense to those people though? Knodameen?

Ugh, we need a Faith 2. This is starting to suck.

psylichon

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Message 124/188 29-Sep-02 @ 12:13 PM - RE: Faith

salty

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w/o causing a party for the sort, let me just say if i don't quit, i'm going to have serious problems, like now. i really don't want to have to quit this job for my health.

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Message 125/188 29-Sep-02 @ 12:52 PM - RE: Faith

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to expound: as 411, i get one abusive cretinous robot brain strapped to my head (phones) after another, and i'm starting to get this burning sensation in my guts when i talk to them. a bad burning sensation. but the job pays twice as much as i'd earn anywhere else, so i've got to cut down on my idiot intake.

why do i get a burning sensation? because it's just terrible that anyone can be like them.

check this out - i chat on a christian message board. for strategic purposes.

recently, someone mentioned yoga.. ie. what do you think of it, exercise or evil religion?

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You guys know that Yoga is not supposed to be about exercise, right? It's a form of Hindu worship. Some one once said that using yoga for exercise is like making a weight loss diet based off of the Lord's Supper. It might work, but that's not what it's meant for.

i can't go on like this, peeps. this kind of prejudice just makes life with humans unbearable.

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Message 126/188 29-Sep-02 @ 06:01 PM - RE: Faith

milan

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dont die just yet, like david holmes said :>

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Message 127/188 29-Sep-02 @ 07:25 PM - RE: Faith

Zazza

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x: strategic reasons?

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Message 128/188 29-Sep-02 @ 08:24 PM - RE: Faith

xoxos

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well how am i going to be effective if i don't study up?

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Message 129/188 29-Sep-02 @ 08:44 PM - RE: Faith

Zazza

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but don't they just depress the shit out of you?

seems a trifle masochistic...

never argue with a creationist...

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Message 130/188 29-Sep-02 @ 09:22 PM - RE: Faith

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power systems don't just go away on their own, zaz.

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