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Original Message Date: 15-Jan-03 @ 06:43 PM - something interesting from waldorf

nomad

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take a look at this...

http://www.waldorf-music.com/afb/

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Message 21/29 04-Feb-03 @ 05:41 PM - RE: something interesting from waldorf

Breakerbox

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i still think they should put out the pulse as a desktop unit with buncha knobs and midi sync for the lfos.

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Message 22/29 04-Feb-03 @ 10:15 PM - RE: something interesting from waldorf

Stefan

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LFO1 of the Pulse can be synchronized to midi clock.

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Message 23/29 08-Feb-03 @ 09:36 PM - RE: something interesting from waldorf

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What would make that unit REALLY cool, is if Waldorf offered a special OS upgrade, and modification for people who already own a Q to have it retro-fitted with maybe an umbilical or something so that one could by this unit, and upgrade their Q to a Q+. The only issue as far as I can tell, is finding the traces that need to be tapped into, and deciding on a socket, lock, and cabling type, and then just a small coding modification from the normal Q+ code. the modification operation itself would be VERY fast. No more than a few screws to open the case. Two to four minutes to locate, cut and resolder the correct traces. Five to ten minutes to alter the case, and install the new socket, and another two minutes to redo the screws. The OS upgrade (and maybe BOOT system) should take no more than a few minutes. Less than half an hour in total, including the unpack and repack of the unit. Waldorf could do it as same day service if they wanted to. Being able to upgrade your Q to a Q+ for under $700 would be VERY cool, and really nice customer relations. It's a thought. I'll ask Wolfram Franke, and couple others over there what they think of the idea.

Ape

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Message 24/29 14-Feb-03 @ 10:36 PM - RE: something interesting from waldorf

Pongoid

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Ok, so the message has been sent to Waldorf, which for those unaware, went public last month and is now available, if you want to buy into it. Now to wait and see what their reply will be.

Ape

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Message 25/29 24-Feb-03 @ 07:20 PM - RE: something interesting from waldorf

Pongoid

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After some correspondence with Joerg Heuttner about the idea of the AFB16 as a filter retrofit for the Q, I can see why it would be an impossibility to implement it per voice without a complete motherboard replacement, so it ain't happenin. Oh well, it was a thought.

Ape

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Message 26/29 26-Feb-03 @ 08:23 AM - RE: something interesting from waldorf

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yeah, as i was reading back through the
threads, it occurred to me, how is the analog
filter unit integrated into the Q+'s sound
engine... considering that the Q is essentially
a digital synth emulating analog circuitry,
integrating the analog filter unit would kind of
create the necessity to interface the analog
circuitry with the DSP algo's, and i imagine the
AFB is just merely a new application of the
technology developed there.

Has anyone seen the inside of a Q+? I
opened up my Q once a while back just for the
fun of it... really quite interesting what was
inside....

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Message 27/29 26-Feb-03 @ 10:53 PM - RE: something interesting from waldorf

blacktrax

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This is the additional filterboard of the Q+

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Message 28/29 27-Feb-03 @ 11:03 PM Edit: 28-Feb-03 | 12:39 AM - RE: something interesting from waldorf

Pongoid

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to integrate the analog filter, an extra set of ADACs had to be introduced into the filter section of the algorithm, which means essentially you digitally create an oscillator sound, then you have a choice to either A)convert it, then send it through the filter, then back into the filter router, then convert it and filter it again, and then to the amps and effects parts of the equation chain, or leaving it digital at all points in the routing. At either of the possible conversion points in the filter routing the signal can be left digital, and just filtered digitally instead. Implementing the filters per voice took a redesign in the entire board, not simply for space and allocation, but because of implementation per voice, and not just at the output. It was a royal pain in the ass to make this system as flexible as it is, so hats off to Waldorf for doing it the way they did, cuz it works.

The AFB could not be implemented this way as a retro fit for the Q/Q Rack, because you have to take the signal out of the CPU then send it back into it per voice to do what the Q+ does. That means and extra set of convertors in the chain from the outset of the signal generation.

Personally, I see the AFB16+ as a flop in the making. Retail is $2500 US. EEEEKKKK!!!!! For that price, spend the extra thousand, and get the 32 voice synth engine, nice keyboard, control surfaces, sequencer, and effects thrown in as well, if you're so desperate for the Waldorf VCF sound.

Ape

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Message 29/29 14-Mar-03 @ 11:09 PM - RE: something interesting from waldorf

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where did you read $2500 US????
flop in the making is right!!!!!

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