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Original Message                 Date: 01-Oct-02  @  09:11 PM   -   bass

Jack

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Not sure if this is the most appropriate place to post this message on this site, but it was the best I could find.

I have a question about bass lines.

I have been writing experimental electronic music for about 7 years and am mystified still by some of the bass I hear from techno and rap music. I was wondering if anyone could help clear up what is going on.

What I am talking about is easist to describe in rap music.. the bass line that comes in and goes:
Booooooooooooooom ...... ..... Boooooooooom Boooooooom

Totally fills your speakers, and sounds really warm and smoothe.

Where are they getting that sound... ? How is that being done?

I have:

RM1X
MPC2000XL
ASR-10
ELECTRIBE-R

I have tried everything I can think of myself to replicate this bass line sound.. but am unable to do so... every thing pales in comparison.

Am I making any sense? Any one able to offer any info, advice, or opinions?




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Message 21/38             03-Oct-02  @  10:56 PM   -   RE: bass

j-type

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>run a sine wave through a low pass and roll the cut-off... I do it all the time, yo!

when I do it, all that happens it the volume of the sine goes up when the filter is open, and down when it closes. just as you'd expect since the only component of a sine is the fundamental.

may as well just tweak the amp  

unless of course you're using resonance in the filter  



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Message 22/38             03-Oct-02  @  11:40 PM   -   RE: bass

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even resonance won't do much for a pure sine except make it louder when the cutoff frequency matches the sine frequency. I suspect he uses "dirty sines" however.

I hereby trademark "dirty sines" as my future band/album/dog name.

psylichon



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Message 23/38             04-Oct-02  @  01:08 AM   -   RE: bass

errata

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I swears... I'll try it at home tonight. I understand the math behind your statement, and never really put any thought into it before, but I tweak sine's... I can't remember the last time I used any type of filter that didn't have rezo...

Waldorf uQ is my main source... hmmmmmmmmmm, but I'd swear I've done it on others. Could I be wrong? GASP... hehehe

could it be self rezonating filters... doubtful.

  I'll investigate.

e



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Message 24/38             04-Oct-02  @  01:57 AM   -   RE: bass

j-type

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if you crank the res up and sweep the cutoff over a sine, you're most probably listening more to the filter than the sine wave itself. Not a bad sound, but not the sound of a 'filtered sine' as such.

dirty sines - possible, but the uQ waves are clean as a whistle. the *filters* can be overdriven, however... (aha!)



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Message 25/38             04-Oct-02  @  02:45 AM   -   RE: bass

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but a distorted sine isnt a sine anymore, is it?



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Message 26/38             04-Oct-02  @  07:16 AM   -   RE: bass

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Hey Psylichon, thanks for checking out my site. Yeah, the flash is supposed to be kinda goofy/strange, that's Mumbleboy's style.



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Message 27/38             04-Oct-02  @  07:42 AM   -   RE: bass

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I'm just jealous. Because I'm good enuff to do something like that, I just don't have the ambition. Kudos for your big balls.

psylichon



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Message 28/38             04-Oct-02  @  11:47 AM   -   RE: bass

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>but a distorted sine isnt a sine anymore, is it?

it isn't a pure sine, no. it depends on the degree of distortion though - clip a sine hard enough and you get a square.



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Message 29/38             04-Oct-02  @  07:43 PM   -   RE: bass

errata

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Shame, chagrin! Tried it, you're sooooo right!!! I'm wrong!

Crawling into cave... returning to the darkness...

Thanks for calling me on it.  

e



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Message 30/38             24-Oct-02  @  08:50 PM   -   RE: bass

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usually the booming bass is simply a minimoog, or se1, se1 is in just about every hiphop/rnb studio. like people said tho lots of 80 kicks work. but analog really is best. ._.



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