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Original Message Date: 17-Oct-02 @ 04:59 AM - guns
Personally, I don't think guns serve any purpose but to kill. You can target shoot without lethal potential and you can kill animals without firepower. I don't like the government telling us what we can and cannot own, but I really don't see the need for guns in any society.
I'm curious what you guys think. Do we need guns? Would it make a noticeable social impact to outlaw guns? I think it may... more than waiting for the average American psyche to evolve.
Quoting Linda Richomond, "Twalk amongst yahselves"
I love the smell of stirred shit.
psylichon
Message 21/147 18-Oct-02 @ 08:18 AM - RE: guns
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Message 22/147 18-Oct-02 @ 09:38 AM - RE: guns
It's always raped tortured excuse in the example, why can't a big guy be stealing your car, or asking you the time when your f*ked up on injectables or you've just shot someone else and you still have one in the pipe.
Pro gun people are animals WITH guns, which in todays world means that i must respect you
UK police are the most respected in Europe (ref somewhere)
If you have a gun in the house then the gun would quickly become 'the only option'. Like you try the baseball bat and that don't work so you call time to get the gun.
HAving said that I have no history with guns. But I have felt fear when investigating some noise in the house at 4am. And this whole argument falls to pieces if the survivalists were right.
pongoid shout for nukes, etc etc - dangerous talk is sexy. There was some reportage here from the early days of 9/11 that 3k jewish people didnt turn up for work turn up for work that day. Roy Orbison RArrrr
Message 23/147 18-Oct-02 @ 09:59 AM - RE: guns
Just like those who believe that Bush wants to go to war JUST for political reasons. He would need to be an evil evil evil man to put so many lives on the line for his career and personal interests. While those things may cloud his judgement no doubt, it's naive and simplistic to think those are his only decision-making influences. He may be a stupid stupid stupid man and, yes, perhaps a little self-preoccupied. But think about what you're implying by saying that he would put lives of innocent soldiers at risk for nothing but his own benefit. Do you really believe that?
Just think about your conspiracy theories for a second.
psylichon
Message 24/147 18-Oct-02 @ 10:03 AM - RE: guns
A: It's not George, read Project for the New American Century.. it's cheney, rumsfeld et al
B: Yes, I really do believe that these guys are capable of whatever it takes, and that includes sacrificing as many americans as it takes, just read your history!
and good morning
Message 25/147 18-Oct-02 @ 10:09 AM - RE: guns
Look, I don't want to go to war nor do I think we should, but it's STUPID to think that the US policy has no foundation AT ALL in Iraq's actions. Just admit there are many facets to this issue and it's not just political and I'll be happy.
And good morning to you, too I still haven't slept....
psylichon
Message 26/147 18-Oct-02 @ 10:24 AM - RE: guns
Well, the US and the UK need to control the middle east. The biggest threat at the moment to that control is Sadaam Hussein. Why are we threatening to invade? It is certainly NOT because he is a nasty dictator. There's a list as long as your arm of nasty dictators, a fair few of them installed, supported and armed by the US.
It's purely about power. And oil is power. Why are france and russia not interested in invading Iraq? Because Saddam gave a huge bunch of oil related contracts to them and they don't want to see their $multi-billion disappear into the hands of haliburton etc.
The link above is a very good article from Peter Hain (Europe Minister in the UK Government) about our dependency on oil from the middle east and why we need to get out from under because it neccessitates our continual involvement in the region and generates the resentment and hate that fuels the terrorists cause.
Message 27/147 18-Oct-02 @ 10:25 AM - RE: guns
Whats that thing xoxos says about insects...
Message 28/147 18-Oct-02 @ 10:27 AM - RE: guns
Great people the romans!
Message 29/147 18-Oct-02 @ 10:32 AM - RE: guns
I'm not denying anything that you're saying. I'm aware of those issues. I'm just saying it's not a black and white issue.
Please tell me you can admit this much. If not, I call you fanatical.
psylichon
Message 30/147 18-Oct-02 @ 10:46 AM - RE: guns
I just re-typed 'person' over 'man'. Maybee we need some women in charge..?
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