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Original Message Date: 04-Nov-02 @ 11:09 PM - an announcement - read
if you ignore them they'll go away - they just are a couple of young guys getting a kick out of taking the piss and watching the reaction.
ignore please.
if a decent conversation entails over various issues of this nature then fine... but dont respond to 'troll inserts' or troll started threads.
let's all chill and make some good vibes i suggest.
Every little helps, as ASDA would say, and this trolling and the vibe it's making is really wearing on me, I dunno about you.
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Message 21/83 05-Nov-02 @ 01:19 PM - RE: an announcement - read
debate is ok, who the hell is saying otherwise?
But OBVIOUSLY if someone appears posting words that (in a nutshell) "the irish are pathetic if they get pissed off over some skirmish that happend a few hundred years ago" - that is obviously a stupid statement with no basis in reality or history..
that's what I mean - But IF loopy wants to come and say... "Blah blah, yes, sure what happened was shitty, BUT..." - and make a reasonable proposition about the present situation, then fine...
It's just the dumb inflammatory stuff which might offend readers.... y'know there is already some irish/celtic readers on this site, never mind those people we never see who read/lurk so have some consideration - no-one would be so crass to appear here saying the haulocaust was 'overblown' and jewish people are just whining and bitter overall as a people...
why should we accept the same type of sentiment regarding any other people?
I ALSO dont like the suggestion (which is more stereotyping) that anyone who suggests that historicaly there was a wrongdoing or NOW there is wrongdoing ALSO is 'bitter and hateful' and wants to kill people or supports the killing of innocent people today - that's rubbish, but at the same time you'd be insulting those people to try to 'rubbish' an aspect of their collective history.
I used the example about the holocaust because it is quite inflamatory & rubs home the point I'm making... people react to that...They find a comparision drawn between that example and their statements is tasteless, but why?... it's the same thing for the irish or the africans... and if it comes to that, so it was for everyone, cos we all were on the receiving end at some point.
So, to repeat again.. IF someone here thinks differently, fine, bring some cohesive arguement to refute that or to prove your point, something tangible. But you cant just blast in with some crass generalisations and not expect that to be taken as insulting to some people.
That's all I'm saying - trying to be reasonable.
We're not children here, surely we can be a bit intelligent? - why?
I tell you why exactly - I was at Sonic State one day and there was a big 'hip-hop' discussion thread.... inside the thread it had descended into a row - a bunch of young dumb US white boys were trying to persuade the rest of the group that 'black' people were 'whining about the past', this group within the thread was suggesting there was no slavery issues in the past, and it was that sort of vibe, and it descended into this pathetic rubbish of cliche's and stereotyping...
I just was put right off the site, I thought, "Well that i dont want to converse with people who think like that"
and I've never been back. It didn't matter to me that these people were a minority in the thread, it just was unhappy to rewad and brought home to me each time that the world is still full of dangerous ill-informed right-wing boys who will grow to be potentialy dangerous right-wing men... so i dont care if it was justa a few guys, i dont want to mix with that vibe.
Y'know, it puts people off, it insults people. i dont want that for the site here is all I'm saying.
People dont think if it doesnt effect them... they see it as some game of intellectual bantering & pure theory.
But mebbe their kids dont come hom in tears cos at school the teacher said: "I know what 'you people' are like", when disciplining some black kids in the class...
y'know that is TODAY, IN OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM for s sake... or mebbe your wife/GF doesn't get assaulted in public, on a bus at the end of the street she lives in by some old nazi man, or your kid doesnt come home in a state cos he was pinned face-first into a brick wall in broad daylight in front of everyone on his local hight street where everyone knows him at the age of 11 (yes ELEVEN!!) by 3 fully grown adult policemen etc etc - or your kid comes home in tears cos he saw a stabbing at school during a fight between 4 kids over some out of school issue, and then shaken already he turns on the Tv and see's the London news report: "a gang of 50 black youths...blah blah, stabbing... blah blah" - which was not what he saw with his own eyes.
so dont tell me this shit is gone away. Being sensitive to that would be good as a starter mebbe. But that sort of crass denial that these events happen, and the painting of people who claim they do as somehow 'bitter and twisted' is right out of order.
Message 22/83 05-Nov-02 @ 01:24 PM - RE: an announcement - read
Message 23/83 05-Nov-02 @ 01:29 PM - RE: an announcement - read
well what's your 'personal experience' of this then GT? - I'm still waiting to hear that. Like you say, we CAN learn from that something mebbe?
tell me... Did some armed gov't agents come to your church and drag your pastor away? - or come into your community and drag off some people you knew? to hold them indefinatly without trial??... did your family get attacked or insulted by a 3rd party on the basis of race or religion recently? - were you or your family attacked by muslims or 'bitter' black people recently?
tell us please your 'personal experience' cos I'm keen to learn what you mean.
Message 24/83 05-Nov-02 @ 01:34 PM - RE: an announcement - read
Thats the sort of thing I mean from Loopy that is just so crass it's ludicrous.
"duh ancient history " - ANCIENT HISTORY!!... that's odd cos when i was a kid they had to live in a segregated society with different bus seats, drinking fountains, schools, colleges, toilets, ghettos etc... when we turned on the Tv we just saw them being beaten to shit by guys with huge clubs...
ing idiot.
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Message 28/83 05-Nov-02 @ 06:22 PM - RE: an announcement - read
I think no matter how crass a thread starts, the more we lay in and try to 'correct' the viewpoint, the more refined and intelligable the original argument becomes. we help each other to become better debaters. If we respond with name-calling and hot heads, we'll get that in return.
I can't speak for the race thing. It's a whole 'nother world from where I'm at, and I can respect your feelings. I just don't think gt and loopy were playing it like that.
psylichon
Message 29/83 05-Nov-02 @ 07:53 PM - RE: an announcement - read
in the natural world, you demonstrate respect for me by staying THE FUCK OUT OF MY WAY, CLEAR?
that's evident to any natural creature.
now you christian robot shits of existence don't respect a fucking thing. your policy, programmed by your controller, is simply not to respect anyone or anything, but to go to it and include it, homogenise it.
you and your fucking fig tree are programmed to go out and involve it, convert it, conquer it, or destroy it (fig tree.) you think you're fucking saving the world by giving it a greater grace, but you're just robots of some power shit and a fucking a pain in the ass, you know that? do you know that, you idiot?
now i dsaid it jsut over there. i'm big, you're gonig to be wearing that arm.
you don't respect k, you don't respect me (i'm obviously not interested in pedantic rhetoric for the sake of provocation) you don't even respect your own dialogue (or you'd be absent as promised/threatened) you're not worth saying anything to, because you think it's all just a joy to say whatever you like if you think it will generate a response. guess what? fucking making somebody react isn't an argument, or a debate, nor is it clever. and child of any species on this earth knows how it works.
as far as i'm concerned, it's simple: there are a collection of free beings here, who recognise that we are free beings in light of global slaver situation with you and your little institution, we treat each other with respect.
you, on the other hand, are a robot shitling of your lords and a betrayer of the mind, and in this forum, as far as i am concerned, you deserve nothing but a constant rain of sewage, and no right to return. you need a glass rod shattered in your eurethra. you need to get tiger striped and tossed in alcohol and lain in a bed of liver flukes for good measure. your ideology is garbage, and you don't need any respect. all you need, gt, is extermination. outright.
Message 30/83 05-Nov-02 @ 08:07 PM Edit: 05-Nov-02 | 08:08 PM - RE: an announcement - read
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