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Original Message Date: 20-Jun-99 @ 07:15 AM - Drug Addicts...
were drug addicts. I'm not going to go on the long list of artists that were or
are drug addicts that made some good shit. But i just think its kinda funy.
Thats it.
out...
Message 31/113 29-Jun-99 @ 12:39 PM - RE: Drug Addicts...
perhaps they steal your bike cos you aint got a lock for it?? - still, having said that i've had 4 bikes pinched (all good new expensive ones), 3 cars, one complete studio (yup the whole fucking contents!!), half my record collection, one motorbike,(my beloved Kwak 400 S3 triple ..."sniff-blubber", god i miss that bike!!...) my TR606 with seperate output mod at a gig, my beyer mic at a gig, etc etc etc.... mate - it's so bad here a mate of mine was standing outside his house a few months back talking to his next-door neighbour at his front garden gate with his door open and this guy walked past him, up his path, into his house, and came out with his fuckin TV set !!!!!.... needless to say he was told to 'walk-off' in no uncertain terms, 8 weeks or so before that the local Italian squat-junkies cleaned him out...
my cousin came over after 6 years living in NY trouble-free and was mugged the first night in London,... i've been assaulted at least 30-40 times 50% all in broad daylight with everything from fists & bike-helmets, to stanley knives & hammers etc... i've even had cars driven at me to run me down, and even was assaulted in broad daylight in a famous central London square by an off-duty policeman for fucks sake !!!!.... i mean the guy lammed me for over 3 fucking minutes !! - - i've even had a guy chasing me round the circular road with a revolver just cos i hooted at him when he pulled out causing me to nearly crash !! - and i'm a guy who AVOIDS trouble !!!!.... you want to see the scrapes some of my more fiesty mates get into !!!... i mean even fucking Glastonbury is like a holiday camp for tea-leafs, with about 300 tent thefts reported after the first day this year (and that is just the reported thefts !! - no-ones going to report a half-oz being pinched are they now !!) & the shooting 2 years ago (one of my mates wont go there since as he was about 30 yards away when the lead started flying and it freaked him out) - mate beleive me - this country.... !!!
Message 32/113 29-Jun-99 @ 08:31 PM - RE: Drug Addicts...
as for drug policy, i'm with craig. the u.s. policy changed drastically in the 80's when the then director of drug policy (name eludes me) changed the rhetoric on drug use from a health debate to a criminal debate. since then, drug convictions have skyrocketed and minorities in this country have had to take the brunt of the offensive. meanwhile, tobacco and alcohol, which claim more lives than all other drugs combined, get off scott free. not to mention, many studies claim tobacco is more addictive than heroin.
natural vs. processed drugs. please don't take offense when i say, imho, it doesn't make a bit of difference (except in one's preference). look, a chemical is a chemical is a chemical. we are bio-chemical entities and the body cares little (except in respect to the psychologically induced placebo effect) where something comes from, but rather what is it made of and how it reacts with our normal functions. psyllisibin (sp?), regardless of it's origin in a mushroom, screws with your brains normal biochemical functioning, just as ecstasy does (albeit in different ways, hence the different sensations). and be honest, the herb of today is not the herb of yesteryear. on average (at least here in the states) the drug content in marijuana is higher than 20 years ago. why? careful cultivation and breeding, just like in any agricultural venture, leads to better product (but is it truly natural, as marijuana didn't naturally occur this strong). true, you're chances of o.d. from smoking too many bowls is a hell of a lot less than from snorting too many lines, but whether a drug is "natural" or not isn't the issue, rather the level of content with respect to how much the body can handle.
finally, on the artist and drug use. i heard a fairly well known clinical psychiatrist here in the states speak on artists and drug abuse. his assessment is that the personality types of many musicians (apparently he has more than a few stars as clients) are that of people who find danger and the extreme pleasurable, much as "extreme" sports athletes do. on top of that, many artists, addressing psychological issues within themselves and living within the pressured confines of the "scene", find drugs more readily accessible to deal with problems than the average joe. in this way, its easier for many stars (he used jimi hendrix as an example) to go from experimenter to addict. for my part, i would say the drugs are less a reason than a symptom of the pain and/or general psychological complexities most artists funnel into their art. thus, i see drug use only as a byproduct of outlook that can be purely experimental (used as a means for exploration) or dangerous (eg. addiction), but ultimately irrelevant to the success or failure of the artist.
sorry about the thesis paper. -p.
Message 33/113 29-Jun-99 @ 09:18 PM - RE: Drug Addicts...
Especially when their reasons for such policies are based on lies, duplicity, and bullshit, and they've used my tax money to spread their rot and enforce their lame policies... As far as I'm concerned the US government is responsable for every single drug-crime related murder comitted in this country, the same as the government was responsable for all of the booze-related crime during US Prohibition in the 30s.
-Craig
Message 34/113 30-Jun-99 @ 02:34 AM - RE: Drug Addicts...
actually just for reference the story on dope/weed goes like this.
Pre-1930's weed was a BIG-time commercial crop... 'hemp' - it was used for poor peoples' alternative to cotton for clothing, and of course rope amongst other things, (did you know for example the actual original document: 'The Declaration of Independance' was written on hemp-paper !!!??.. fact.!!)..... then Dupont invented & patented NYLON.... hmmm.... only one market competitor---- hemp...
so it turns out, the owner of Dupont's legal firm has a brother who is a Senator - he goes to the senate and presents a bill calling Hemp the "single most social-evil facing the country" or word very close to that effect and introduces a bill to illegalise hemp... and hey fuckin presto... Hemp is made illegal,,,, and the rest is history... and Dupont made shitloads of money as there was no competition from hemp any more......
Message 35/113 30-Jun-99 @ 02:50 AM - RE: Drug Addicts...
In terms of so many talented musician's using drugs though, I think it becomes a horrible crutch. To name a couple of my personal favorite artists that have now gone "sober" and might I add, gone completely down hill musically: Ministry, Hole, Janes Addiction, and Alice in Chains. All these band's made wonderful music when they were completely fucked up on drugs....now that they have gone sober, so has there creativity.
My advise is this: If you need to use to create, that's your deal, just remember, be prepared to die from a drug overdose and die for your art, because if you sober up and try and move on creatively, your music is gonna suck anyway.
bye!
Message 36/113 30-Jun-99 @ 05:28 AM - RE: Drug Addicts...
Message 37/113 30-Jun-99 @ 10:31 PM - RE: Drug Addicts...
Drugs are one of the last bastions of glory for those who like to get off on prejudice and self righteous indignation.
I did not spend an eternity evolving into what i am now to have some old wanker tell me what is best for me.
So if you dont like it simply fuck off an stick your oar in somewhere else as we are sick of your pompous ignorance.
So there.
Message 38/113 30-Jun-99 @ 11:00 PM - RE: Drug Addicts...
It is all opinionated BS, just like your post is opinionated BS. What old wanker is trying to tell you what is best for you? Self righteous indignation? Really. Prejudice? Really. Amazing how all these 'drug addicts' sound just like 'normal' people, eh? And 'fuck off'(?) I do it it as much as possible, that is when I've the time and I'm not sticking some shit in my arm, down my throat, or up my nose. Stick my oar somewhere else? 'We'are sick of your pompous ignorance? Who's 'we'? It seems you are in the minority here, as this 'bastion' seems to be mostly pro choice as far as drugs are concerned. You know you sound a bit like a zealot yourself.
Speaking for myself (as I light up a fatty), I don't see a lot of prejudice among drug users, sure some of them are distrustful of those who 'don't', but far more seem willing to live and let live. You might try it yourself sometime. Oops! there I (read: old wanker) go telling someone what is best for them....
Peace All
Mindspawn
Message 39/113 01-Jul-99 @ 01:41 AM - RE: Drug Addicts...
have any of you seen reefer madness. fucking great. they've made a play out of it here in l.a.
-p.
Message 40/113 01-Jul-99 @ 02:02 AM - RE: Drug Addicts...
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