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Subject: Virus Low End Good?
Original Message Date: 26-Jul-02 @ 10:12 AM - Virus Low End Good?
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I've been reading various stuff on the web about the Virus. People really praise the filters and talk about how good the Virus is for pads and leads.
However, they reckon that the bass making capabilities aren't that great. Apparently the bass patches lack a "certain warmth and low end" cos the Osc are only OK.
To be honest, as I've said, I've nothing to compare it to in depth. However, I can't seem to get that real thick housey bass sound with it. Probably just me though.
I've looked at a Pulse and SH101 and they sound cool. Am I over analysing again? :-)
Message 31/55 03-Aug-02 @ 11:37 AM - RE: Virus Low End Good?
cuz Im a nice guy
Message 32/55 03-Aug-02 @ 02:12 PM - RE: Virus Low End Good?
Message 33/55 03-Aug-02 @ 10:00 PM - RE: Virus Low End Good?
- like most synths
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Message 35/55 05-Aug-02 @ 01:53 PM - RE: Virus Low End Good?
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I start with a sawtooth and a pulse wave cos thats the 2 waveforms that are used to recreate bass tones best, yer?
Then I detune OSC 2 down by 12 semitones and take sync off, yer?
Then I might modulate the pitch using a sinewave from LFO 1, yer?
Then its over to the filter and I use a 12db filter. The cutoff is usually at 0 anyway so I take the res down a bit to get rid of the upper harmonics so it sits in the mix better.
Then I might go into unison and assign 2 voice to my bass patch. Then I might add a bit of distortion and chorus.
Is that too basic and the reason why my bass doesn't sound thick or make up a decent fondation for my tracks?
And I agree, the virus does take up alot of room :-)
Message 36/55 05-Aug-02 @ 02:54 PM - RE: Virus Low End Good?
that I stumbled into...set the Virus filters to
"split", voices to "twin", set the twin detune to
zero and phase to zero. Set Oscillator 1 to
saw, Osc 2 to sine and Sync the two. Set the
sub oscillator volume to about a quarter of the
way up and bring the Osc init phase up to @
20. Turn down the cutoff on filter one and the
env amount up to about 1/4, with a sharp
attack and decay on the filter.
THE BIGGEST, WARMEST BASS YOU'VE
EVER HEARD.
You really want to have low oscillators in sync
because otherwise the bass'll disappear from
time to time as the waves move in and out of
phase. Also, FX and panning will wash your
bass out and make it muddy, or overpower
your whole mix.
I'm no pro, but these are the things I sort of
learned from trial and error.
-K
Message 37/55 05-Aug-02 @ 07:34 PM - RE: Virus Low End Good?
drop, why don't you just go hear a pulse and see what you think? If you hear and freak out and it speaks to you, then it's worth it. If not, then keep those osc's in sync and stop whining ;p
both my virus and my pulse sound WAY better than the reason synth, but I use the subtracor all the time b/c I have low self esteem
the sub works just fine for me a lot of the time, and it's nice not to rewire. even those horrendous reason rhodes patches get used, but I'm not saying they would work for herbie hancock. I think the RS7K is totally dope, but I returned it b/c it doesen't suit my way of working. see where I'm going? where am I going? I'm going to say this: it's all about you and what you want/need. who's world is this? the world is yours.
I'm really gonna post that stupid virus vs pulse track. I'm leaving myself a voxmail. Duo Electro hated it but they're my archnemesises.
Message 38/55 05-Aug-02 @ 08:14 PM - RE: Virus Low End Good?
http://www.trippler.net/music/Stuff/stuff.html
and listen to the same sound done on virus, pulse, microQ, plus few others, and decide for yourself.
and then thank stefan for providing us with the test
Message 39/55 05-Aug-02 @ 08:15 PM - RE: Virus Low End Good?
Message 40/55 06-Aug-02 @ 10:42 AM - RE: Virus Low End Good?
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However, this thread has moved on really. I'm over the pulse now. I spent ages with it in TurnKey. It does sound nice but I expected more bass sounds. Yes I do know you have to program it to achieve more but I wasn't massively impressed and That link is correct when it says the envelopes aren't as fast as other synths.
I am more after programming tips now ;-)
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