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Subject: the final stage
Original Message Date: 11-Oct-04 @ 10:21 AM - the final stage
Message 31/60 19-Oct-04 @ 07:54 AM - RE: the final stage
But it will live on. people cut to VHS still. hehe, i said "cut"
Message 32/60 19-Oct-04 @ 04:03 PM - RE: the final stage
1. Master in 24 bit
2. Record through decent a/d converters
3. Use a medium that I can send out straight to DJ's
4. Use a bit of kit that can take the same sorts of levels as my DAT machine.
When I try and record straight into one of my delta 410's, I have to have the master fader right down by -25 db to not overload the PC. I've tried using the -10db and the +4 db inputs on my mixmaster but this makes no difference to the input levels. As previously said I get a mush better signal when I use the +4db XLR inputs on my mixmaster compared to the -10db inputs (which I believe to be for consumer gear like keyboards or dat machines) and know that my main metres levels are good cos the input knob on the DAT machine is in the same place it used to be when I used to record from a neve vr legend (with flying faders - heheheheh) in a pro studio. So I'm thinking that the alesis masterlink will be able to handle the "proper" signal from the mackie desk and I won't have to pull my master fader (that is post main sub inserts if anyone's wondering) all the way down to -25 db. I can't find an "input level" option in the audio menus of Logic and the control panels of my 410 deltas only deal with outputs, ie -10db consumer or full. I'm kinda thinking that my gain structure is cool cos of the same DAT machine being in the pro studio and the input knob is exactly in the same place for a decent level that peaks at 0db. Phew!
Am I missing something vital here fellas?
Message 33/60 19-Oct-04 @ 07:45 PM - RE: the final stage
0dBfs is theoretically the same across the board. I think there are fluctuations, but not 25dB.
so...if you can sort it out, its gonna be more economical to use your PC. Where are you? Im thinkin england, in which case I cant help you.
I do, however, wonder if it has to do with what youre strapping across the main buss. maybe youre simply cranking that too high, and the outputs of your mackie are actually distorting? Im sure youre watching the meters on the mackie?
anyway...the masterlink is a damn fine piece of equipment. Dont know if the converters are anything but better than average. The only experience I have with one was using an Apogee PSX100 and then digital out from that, so...
Message 34/60 19-Oct-04 @ 09:36 PM - RE: the final stage
look... a Neve VR will have output of about +26dbU or something, so no wonder you have to pull the fader to -25db while recording to a lowly Midiman Delta card. can that be it??
Message 35/60 20-Oct-04 @ 12:26 AM - RE: the final stage
and...whats a Neve got to do with it
Message 36/60 20-Oct-04 @ 04:49 AM - RE: the final stage
A 24-bit CD burner (like the masterlink) burns data disks that can only be read by another masterlink or a computer. An audio CD is always 16bit/44.1khz. Also 24-bit recording does not indicate a higher input level capacity. This may be obvious, but from the way you were goin there I thought I'd make that clear.
I am of the opinion that if your productions originate and are mixed in a computer, they should be mastered there for highest fidelity. Your analog stage sounds a bit unnecessary to me.
Message 37/60 20-Oct-04 @ 10:34 AM - RE: the final stage
The kick and bass
They each go through a compunder via the channel insert via jack to jack plummed into the +4db inputs.
The snare and the rest of the drums
They get eq'ed and sent to a sub group which in turn goes through a compunder at +4db inputs.
Soft synths
These get compressed with Logics native compressors and then all sent, via another sub group, to a compunder with +4db inputs.
The whole mix
The whole mix gets 3db of compression and eq'ed at 120hz, 5-7khz and 12khz around +3db on the eq section through a mixmaster using the main sub inserts and the +4db inputs.
Plus the makie manual says that there is +25 db output aswell so I'm confused. My question is why does my DAT machine accept a nice hot input level but my delta 410 doesn't. The mackie manual says that there is loads of headroom on this desk and to make sure that the main metres only flick into the yellow occasionally (which I am making sure of). What the hell am I doing wrong here?
Surely I can't be mixing with my channel faders all at -10. Everything is set at unity gain on my mackie including the channels, the gain pots are completely anti clockwise and the master fader is at 0db. Where am I going wrong here?
Message 38/60 20-Oct-04 @ 07:45 PM - RE: the final stage
honestly, to me..it sounds like youre overcompressing shit, but that might not be the source of this problem...
I cant for the life of me figure out what exactly that problem is though. If youre doing the levels in the PC, and leaving the gain on the mixer with no boost, and the channels at unity...
jeez. confusing
Message 39/60 21-Oct-04 @ 03:43 PM - RE: the final stage
Message 40/60 21-Oct-04 @ 05:47 PM - RE: the final stage
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