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Subject: Drum'N'Bass Area
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Original Message Date: 16-Oct-99 @ 07:30 PM - Drum'N'Bass Area
Message 61/89 07-Nov-99 @ 06:34 PM - RE: Drum'N'Bass Area
Message 62/89 07-Nov-99 @ 07:17 PM - RE: Drum'N'Bass Area
You should sample your friend(or maybe you do already) and use the grooves. It would be quite interesting to hear his pots and pans in the music. You'd probably be surprised how many #1 hits have snare drums that are actually cardboard boxes.
Message 63/89 07-Nov-99 @ 09:06 PM - RE: Drum'N'Bass Area
Would you be able to do breaks like that? It seems all the drum groove cd's that are coming out, they're too clean if you know what i mean, they don't sound anywhere like the Amens, Funky Drummer's etcv..
Message 64/89 08-Nov-99 @ 11:48 AM - RE: Drum'N'Bass Area
Message 65/89 08-Nov-99 @ 05:42 PM - RE: Drum'N'Bass Area
I think the best way to recreate this (short of having V-Drums) is to go and use very old equipment to record with. CD's and the like are cleaned up and eq'ed up for maximum sonic quality. But like you say, it loses something in the translation.
What you're asking is an interesting question which I think I'm going to try. Can I recreate the feeling of the 60's/70's loops via my MIDI kit? I can (and do) recreate that feel/sound on my live kit and I think I can do it via the MIDI kit (Yamaha DTX v.2) but it's something I've never really thought about. Kilo and I will be getting together soon so hopefully we'll be able to get that kind of sound that everyone is searching for.
You should also check a book called "The Big Beat" by Max Weinberg (Bruce Springsteens drummer) in which he interviews all of his drumming heroes from the 60's and 70's. They talk a lot about the recording techniques used at the time. I think it's out of print but you should still be able to find a copy. I know you can still find it on Tottenham Ct. Rd (Foyles?). I also think he did a sequel "The Big Beat 2". Although I've never seen a copy I'd like to get one (the sequel that is, I've got the other one)
Message 66/89 08-Nov-99 @ 08:19 PM - RE: Drum'N'Bass Area
It's great to hear from a live drummer.
One more thing, have you heard a track called Second Movement by Krust? Drums on that are real DOPE!!
Shit knows how he did it, i mean the sequencing's easy to do, but it's how the drums actually sound.
Especially the snare, like nothing i've heard b4, not on a D+B tune anyway.
Message 67/89 08-Nov-99 @ 09:04 PM - RE: Drum'N'Bass Area
Message 68/89 09-Nov-99 @ 10:48 AM - RE: Drum'N'Bass Area
Message 69/89 09-Nov-99 @ 12:34 PM - RE: Drum'N'Bass Area
Message 70/89 09-Nov-99 @ 02:35 PM - RE: Drum'N'Bass Area
When I'm getting old school style loops I normally use an acoustic kit. I normally use either PZM's or SM58's for mic'ing it up. One or two mic's only and then add crackle and pop from a couple of vinyl samples. For that truly gritty feeling I'll play onto tape and then transfer it into the PC.
I haven't heard the Krust track but my DJ mate (Filthy Rich, he does the www.pirate-radio.co.uk on Thurs 9pm till 10, check it) is going to bring it in for me. Maybe once I've heard it I can explain how he did it.
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