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Subject: How to mix your POP...
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Original Message 1/27 13-May-02 @ 06:19 PM - How to mix your POP...
This tutorial is actually VERY useful and covers a lot of good practices and it's something we can all learn from. Apart from Brett and Influx.
;)
http://www.audiomelody.com/Tutorials/MixingIntroduction.htm
Let me know what you think...
Mooky.
Message 4/27 13-May-02 @ 07:02 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
I think that article is OLD?
(not sure what you meant about "cept influx and Brett" tho)
Message 5/27 13-May-02 @ 07:10 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
Not sure what I meant?? It was meant as kinda a compliment, I s'pose.
Message 7/27 13-May-02 @ 07:24 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
In the absence of any 'How to mix your dubby techno from scratch' articles, the fact is I DID find it useful and informative even if some things were redundant.
Sorry if you hate it! Just sharing, caring.
Message 8/27 13-May-02 @ 07:45 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
It's worth learning and getting tips from as many different sources as possible. A lot of underground technooooo stuff is actually mixed like shit and becomes a muddy mess when played on a big system. Not all, but enough to be annoying.
The best mix I've ever heard (And I KNOW a lot of people will give me flak for this!) is a Candi Staton remix of Young Hearts put out on REACT a good while back. I don't make Disco, but fuck, this thing REALLY REALLY Kicks hard and has super fat bass can be played really, really, really loud and you can hear EVERYTHING as clear as a bell. I would love to talk to the mix/master Engineer who did that track and see how they did it and hopefully be able to apply it to my mixes. Keep an open mind.
Mook.
Message 9/27 13-May-02 @ 08:13 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
*sigh*
Message 10/27 13-May-02 @ 09:45 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
Message 11/27 13-May-02 @ 10:01 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
Message 12/27 14-May-02 @ 08:47 AM - RE: How to mix your POP...
the influx thing..I thought you were referring to the "pop" tag..that I might talk shit about that...
bottom line is, good mixing is good mixing no matter what style. Certain styles will have different requirements but the basics are definitely the same, no doubt
good lookin out on the ref!
you might want to check out www.prorec.com articles/archives..TONS of info there, too.
Message 13/27 14-May-02 @ 02:47 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
Message 14/27 14-May-02 @ 02:57 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
And
influx, I think people do mix pop diferant then a song meant for massive system. Pop music has much more space in it for the vocals and individual instuments to shine through. We layer the tracks so deep and heavy in electronic except for the ambient breaksdowns and intros. We compress vocals much more to sit in the complex mix, where as most singers would be mad at the engineer for making them so flat on their radio ready single.
And zink, I may have some experience with lots of synths, but mixing is somthing I am just getting better at after 5 years of experimenting. The book "the mix engineer's handbook" by Bob Owsinski, and things I have read in mix mag, here, and just plain grasped form the experimentation, are a cumulative thing.
There are plenty of people here with quit a bit of mixing and desk time in actual profesional facilities. All of you please come forward!
Message 15/27 14-May-02 @ 04:35 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
Message 16/27 14-May-02 @ 05:03 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
Message 17/27 14-May-02 @ 05:10 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
I admire the more-is-less thing, too. I think fattening up your sounds so that even a minimal track still sounds full and rich would be a great skill for me to have.
Glad people found it somewhat informative. I'll check your ref links, influxxxx....
Message 18/27 14-May-02 @ 05:32 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
Message 19/27 14-May-02 @ 06:33 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
Message 20/27 14-May-02 @ 06:47 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
I am trying to learn the restraint I admire so much in other people's music. check out
http://www.mille-plateaux.net/mp/
esp. snd (makesnd)
brilliant!
Message 21/27 15-May-02 @ 01:53 AM - RE: How to mix your POP...
In our 'trade' the creation/mix process usualy happens hand in hand tho so it's a bit different ... imo, you cant really approach dancemusic in that way without it resulting in a a rather contrived bland track... but for pop song/guitar bands as he says it's spot on.
In our thing, when you startout a tune, you might make a killer beat, or bassline & hat or synth riff, or some pulsating noise patterns, it can be anything, and what eq's and fx & dynamic controls etc you mould it's overall sound with dynamicaly & tonaly IS the whole thing in itself...
So that synth-riff/sound/pulse we created picks up a hat & kik pattern that work with it or you start with whatever... but in dance/techno/electronica the way a starting or newly added sound is 'mixed/processed' so much effects what happens next in a natural organic flowing way, we dont 'mix' at the end after tracking in that way....
There is similarities tho - The worst thing in dance is making that initial setup riff/sound combi, and then changing it in ANY way... like you setup this riff which happens organicaly, then think: "Oh, i want to add such and such next" - and you do and then you see the meter is red so you think, "Oh i'll drop all the faders a bit or gain or do whatever", and at that point you loose it completely, some supercritical balance between volume, dynamic's, tone etc is precarious when created in that relational way, and once you move it or alter it EVEN a fraction it often evaporates, or never quite sounds the same as it did a second before, and nothing you do canm get it to sound like that again, it's weird!!!... so you need to leave it alone and or make 100% detailed record or s/w save of it at that point... that similarity is the same but with us it's at every point as you work from the very beggining..
Like the kikdrum might be at +2db and with a *slight* boost around 120hz with a fast slope and at that volume and velocity that one fractionaly emphasised frequency will force the bassline to pulsate harmonicaly subtly which you subconciously 'tuned into' as you created the bassline...
you gotta remember that we're just playing with airwaves, making them pulse and move in rhythms, so in effect we are playing a vibration on our own & other peoples bodies like beating out a rhythm on their body physicaly when they listen to a track loud, all we are doing is manipulating electronic waves to create rhythmic pulsing waves thru the air... therefore that critical pulsing of the bassline caused by that tiny freq boost in the kik emphasising the basslines harmonic of a related frequency changes the way the bassline at IT'S optimaly created relative settings works in empathy with the kik... even the fractional change can ruin it.
that's worth sorting out... you tweak the top end yes, "oh the hats are just a fraction too loud" like in pop article, you do that at the end while listening casualy from another room preferably too... hats do tend to need that final tweak cos they arent moving air in the same way but DO carry alot of emphasis based on relational volume ..... but never touch the fundamentals, or render it off as a perfect loop and work round that or something...
Message 22/27 15-May-02 @ 08:10 AM - RE: How to mix your POP...
here's another mixing anecdote, albums being mixed, band's in there. guitarist asks what channel is some part on. asks the guy mixing "can i turn that up?" geezer goes, ok, you turn it up. so he does, and then the bloke mixing goes "why did you do that?" "well i thought it could be a bit louder ..." "i've been mixing this all day yesterday and that one part that you thought was quiet wasn't bothering me, but the whole mix is bothering me now because it's upset the balance, eq, etc. this has changed, that has changed ..."
bigger picture innit.
it was an automated mix, so i guess that's why he let him move the fader.
Message 23/27 15-May-02 @ 08:26 AM - RE: How to mix your POP...
Ewww!
k lets the side down!
Bad k, naughty k, in your BED!
Message 24/27 15-May-02 @ 08:41 AM - RE: How to mix your POP...
naughty kilo!!! bad! go to your room!
Message 25/27 15-May-02 @ 02:45 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
and bedwyr, that was funny. Any chance to mess with an over zealous musician is worth the time.
Message 26/27 15-May-02 @ 02:45 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
Message 27/27 15-May-02 @ 04:56 PM - RE: How to mix your POP...
Hey, I just like stuff that you can plugin and go - i go for many cheaper synths that each do what they do & do it well, rather than larger synths which do many things at once..
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