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Subject: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
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Original Message 1/66 16-Apr-02 @ 03:15 AM - DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
This mixer seems really cool for the price - I was looking at an 01v, but now... Hmmm...
Anybody had a play with this thing?? Whadaya think??
Michael
Message 2/66 16-Apr-02 @ 03:17 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
but maybe they shaped up before making this one though.
Message 3/66 16-Apr-02 @ 03:25 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 4/66 16-Apr-02 @ 04:03 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
That mixer is sposed to be one solid MF'er. I know someone who knows someone who owns one and just flat LOVES it
Im damn impressed with the inputs alone!
Message 5/66 16-Apr-02 @ 07:54 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 6/66 16-Apr-02 @ 08:12 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
honestly I think behringer have their shit ironed out enough to make them worthwhile. Sure..you hear stories, but I have heard stories about Mackie, Emu (seen PLENTY of fucked up Emu gear), Access, Novation, Digidesign, MOTU, Emagic
uh..should I keep going?
sometimes people knee-jerk associate "affordable" with CHEAP, and there is truly a distinction in certain instances
Message 7/66 16-Apr-02 @ 12:30 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
hmm... read some of the manual - it has a relative mode for mixing - when you click record in 'Relative' mode the faders set themselves to 0db but the actual fader levels is as-is in the mix & display on the fader screen showing their positions which also is audible - then if you go and grab a fader to tweak a channel it moves the fader posotion RELATIVE to 2 whatever the actual fader position is in the mix... handy!!! - so like if the actual value of the fader on channel12 in the mix is -18db and you grab the fader in record-mode while it is reset to 0bd and start to move the fader UP i guess that then picks up the fader position in s/w at -18db and starts to push up the level from there.... hmm!
balanced inputs and inserts too on all channels. also channels13/14 switches to input s/pdif or analog.
Message 8/66 16-Apr-02 @ 01:57 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
-Craig
Message 9/66 16-Apr-02 @ 03:15 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 10/66 16-Apr-02 @ 05:03 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
-Craig
Message 11/66 16-Apr-02 @ 06:48 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 12/66 16-Apr-02 @ 07:35 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 13/66 16-Apr-02 @ 09:20 PM Edit: 16-Apr-02 | 09:21 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Looking at $4k versus $2200-2500 I see a big reason for going with the Behringer.
Not that the Tascam with 24 channels of I/O wouldn't be the bomb but it's easily over a thousand dollars more, probably more like $1500-$2k more once all is said and done.
-Craig
Message 14/66 17-Apr-02 @ 02:04 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
If you want a board with lots of digital i/o and the ability to expand later, and even hook it directly up to a protools i/o without any addition hardware. It's a nice mixer. It is certainly more comprehensive the behringer. I think the routing is awsome on it. I like the idea of using the two mic/line's as inserts, so when mixing down you can have audio come from tape or disk via the aes/ebu and use external gear inserted into the channel using the two mic/line connectors on each track. If you have to mix in diferant environments for diferant projects and need to integrate hardware fx with your plugs, this is tight. And you can mix down back to the daw via spidif. this is pretty damn flexible. And with a motu 2408 you have no physical fader to control the channel or surface to work with.
The tascam is geared toward the pro project studio that wants o2r features on a budget with the use of outboard fx or PT integration, and the behringer is marketed toward the prosumer.
I like em both, and the behringer would do just fine for me probabaly and most. It also has the 6 controlers for using it control software synths etc.
It's a tough choice, but i am moving toward the PT setup and outboard gear integrated in. So i made my choice. And 24/48 is all I need.
Message 15/66 17-Apr-02 @ 05:14 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 16/66 17-Apr-02 @ 01:35 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
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Message 17/66 17-Apr-02 @ 03:39 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
-Craig
Message 19/66 18-Apr-02 @ 02:10 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 20/66 18-Apr-02 @ 02:56 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 21/66 18-Apr-02 @ 05:58 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Just wondering what your rationale is..
-Craig
Message 22/66 19-Apr-02 @ 02:48 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
control24=$7000
what's your point here?
Am I supposed to buy a little motomix and hook all my gear up to a patchbay and the patchbay to protools. I'd rather have a mixer with inserts for using exteranl fx during mixdown and nice pre-amps. I don't see another option without spending $7000 on the focurite.
Message 23/66 19-Apr-02 @ 06:25 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
I had really wanted a DM24 but figured it would be too expensive once I factored in the hardware to get all that I/O in and out of the PC.
-Craig
Message 24/66 20-Apr-02 @ 05:29 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 25/66 20-Apr-02 @ 07:34 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 26/66 21-Apr-02 @ 02:54 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 27/66 23-Apr-02 @ 02:39 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
-Craig
Message 28/66 23-Apr-02 @ 06:14 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 29/66 23-Apr-02 @ 06:44 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 30/66 24-Apr-02 @ 05:05 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
If you do not need a lot of channels, please please look into a Roland...NOT the all-in-one crap tho.
VM-3100 is a right stonker! It killed my 01v sonicaly, all for less than $600USD WITH an interface card (8 chan digital) with DB25 to the mixer.
The effects (2) are outstanding save no BPM calc on the delay. Reverbs simply go on for ever. Compressor - mono or stacked for stereo AND you won't believe the "Break Beat" preset -gawd!
Scene recall, not just total recall like the 01v.
Comes with a 'lite' version of Logic (does NOT work in Win2k etc, only 98)
Negs':
Metering is skint
24 bit mixer, 16 bit stream for the drivers (asio only)
Connector cable is only 3 meters
8thstreet.com - ask for Randy (partner/owner) (from Erik)
Message 31/66 24-Apr-02 @ 10:58 AM Edit: 24-Apr-02 | 11:07 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 32/66 24-Apr-02 @ 12:29 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
oh yeah, PLUS, no percieved latency in Sonar with softies - the included PCI card IS made by M Audio(!) so it's solid.
Finally, don't by this mixer stand alone, get the "kit" (the boxed version with card, cable etc).
Message 33/66 24-Apr-02 @ 12:30 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 34/66 24-Apr-02 @ 02:29 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
IMHO, the biggest single advantage to the 01V is that you get the compressors and EQs on 16 channels.
-Craig
Message 35/66 24-Apr-02 @ 02:39 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
yes Randy at 8th street, is the shit. He will cut you all kinds of deals cause he worried about a commission like ther sales guys..
Message 36/66 24-Apr-02 @ 04:01 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
1. it really looks like the Ramsa/Panasonic mixer doesnt it!?
2. this myth about behringer?... well ALL the Uk-bound mackies were recalled due to faults recently! but they have a prestine reputation... the old Eurodesk had a power supply issue but it seems s shame to tar Begringer with this mythological 'unreliable' tag - I dont think they are really less reliable than anything esle are they really??
Message 37/66 24-Apr-02 @ 05:52 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
No complaints here.
-Craig
Message 38/66 24-Apr-02 @ 11:03 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
I think they make GREAT cheap gear, that's all... and if you can get a Euromix for 500 quid, thats ALOT of mixer for the cash!
Message 39/66 08-May-02 @ 01:43 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Hey Influx, your mates, mates granny's uncle - Does he still like his DDX?? No probs so far??
Mooky.
Message 40/66 08-May-02 @ 01:59 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 41/66 08-May-02 @ 02:16 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Had a look at it today. It's bloody huge! I'll have to totally re-arrange my desk space if I get it. Hmmmm. The Pots don't click either. They are all smooth and yummy, as are the faders. Desk feels good. Hope it sounds good.
Message 42/66 08-May-02 @ 02:41 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 43/66 08-May-02 @ 02:50 AM Edit: 10-May-02 | 02:01 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Do you know what mixing board your Uncle's, Bosses, Wifes son have before the DDX?
Message 45/66 09-May-02 @ 05:36 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
It's very big. Very strong. Very heavy. It has a fan. I didn't expect that. Hmmmm...
Do I like it?
Message 47/66 10-May-02 @ 02:01 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Taking it back to Guitar center tomorrow.
Message 48/66 10-May-02 @ 11:32 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 49/66 10-May-02 @ 05:37 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
I'll write a full review soon.
I'll just round up a few pointers...
1) The Compressors are actually really good. I Managed to get a Kick booming like a mad thing, and squashed up some busy channels. It's very transparent. It can also be triggered by any other channel.
2) Nice noise gates. Gates can also be triggered by side chain. Neat.
3) The file exchange thing is damn easy to use. I usually hate computers and their evil doings, but the software connected up to the DDX straight away. The DDX does need a PC Card to save all the dynamic, eq, etc. Presets, though.
4) I was initially confused with the layout after using a (cough) fostex VM200 for the last couple of Years, but after a couple of hours, I'd found my way round pretty much the whole board and was able to do things pretty much intuitively. This board does feel a lot like an analogue board. It has the same kind of intuitive 'feel' thing, without having to think about everything as you do it.
5) There is a Fan built into the board to cool it, but it's very quiet. Far Quieter than the average PC fan.
6) The sliders feel perfect. Super smooth. As do the Pots. They don't click like the usual Digi Pots.
7) The EQ is great. I've never found it this easy to quickly fix a sound. There is a high pass on every channel in addition to dedicated four band parametric. This is great, because the first thing I do is rip out the lower end on non Bass sounds.
8) The input meter bridge runs alongside each fader - This is a nice touch.
9) The sound is good too. I'm really hitting the inputs hard. It takes a lot to distort them. The 24 bit headroom is nice, also. I'm noticing the Verbs are especially good and clean.
10) There's some funky effects on board. I haven't played them all yet, but they are certainly good soundin'.
11) As well as four internal effect sends, each channel has it's own dedicated delay, for free. Each channel can be configured seperately, which is really neat. They do seem a bit 'short', though. Not really long Echos, more sort of Flangey stuff and short echoes. I'll have to play more.
I'm damn impressed with this board. After a few hours, I feel like I'm mixing with ESP or something. I can just fix and tweak things so quickly and easily - FX sends, EQ, Compression, Gates. Amazing.
Currently, I'm outputing 24bit SPDIF into my Dbx Quantum, which then dithers down to 16 bit and SPDIF's it into my PC. Super clean sound al the way.
I've always liked Behringer products, despite the evil Mackie fans getting all pissy about them.
It looks like Behringer are coming back as far as credibilty is concerned and this desk is an exellent start.
Looks like Steinburg are impressed too, according to their website...
Mongy.
Message 50/66 13-May-02 @ 06:13 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
;)
...But, the 5v ata Flash card is a problem. I can't find one anywhere. Been to 11 computer stores this weekend and laughed out of most of them. Hmmmm. Why choose an obselete format for storage??
Have to look online...
Message 51/66 13-May-02 @ 06:38 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 53/66 13-May-02 @ 11:11 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Ta, I'll give it a go.
I've emailed Behringer .US and .DE to see if they can shed any light on the goofy card thing.
Message 54/66 14-May-02 @ 05:41 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 56/66 14-May-02 @ 02:45 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Message 58/66 14-May-02 @ 05:22 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
But, theoretically, you could route sends from channels from 1-16 into the internal fx and then route them back through channels 17-32 via the bus and use their Channel EQ, compressors and limiters You would lose the other 16 channels, though. I'm not totally sure about this, but looking at the manual, it seems absolutely possible. The routing on this thing is crazy.
The best part is the 2 expansion cards. I could install a pair of adat or tdif cards which have 16 digital inputs and outputs on each. I could reroute the 4 aux sends and returns through one of the digital cards and then I'd have two digital stereo pairs of 24 bit aux sends and returns. I'm, thinking of hooking up a Lexicon to this baby.
With 2 cards installed you can have:
32 channels digital input, 32 channels digital output, 16 channels analogue input, four digital aux sends and returns.
Great, flexible console. Just wish that card problem wasn't so.
Message 59/66 14-May-02 @ 06:35 PM Edit: 14-May-02 | 06:43 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
smart ass!
Message 60/66 14-May-02 @ 07:17 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
man, i dont get it. you splash out on an 01v, and then dont even check the most basic funcions like that.
you really oughta RTFM more often, and in depth :P
actually, i was just kidding beforehands. you need ProTools(tm) if you want to EQ your FX returns :P
Message 61/66 14-May-02 @ 07:55 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
but I havent touched my mixer in a while...and I do remember EQing FX, so...
Message 62/66 14-May-02 @ 08:44 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
can i have a vote of support for "RTFM" t-shirt? i think i´ll go and get one made. i think its pretty universal.
Message 64/66 15-May-02 @ 01:56 AM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
Dancetech
RTFM
get a smapler
Message 65/66 15-May-02 @ 12:45 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
now, shall we get those t-shirts printed or what?
in old blue color scheme, of course
Message 66/66 15-May-02 @ 02:38 PM - RE: DDX3216 - Too good to be true?
I'll see you all in few days, I need to go get reaquainted with my mixer.
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