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Original Message 1/9 09-Jun-00 @ 09:49 AM - Layering Snares for Trance Drums

raver

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I hate to ask about this by calling them "trance drums" but I've heard this in a lot of trance/progressive house tracks. It's the snare drum. In a groove some how the snare sounds like it off from the 2 and 4 beat by a little and it makes the whole thing groove so well. I've tried bumping the snares off beat a little but when I do it, it just sounds like my seq. is pissed. Can anyone help. If you need an example just listen to a digweed or sasha comp. cd. Actually I think heaven scents drums are like this not sure. Any help would be great. Someone said I should layer snare drums. They posted it in drum grooves. Not sure how to go about doing this.

Steve

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Message 2/9 13-Jun-00 @ 09:13 PM - RE: Layering Snares for Trance Drums

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do you really mean the snare is actually off on the 2,4.. or that there is some other grace snare notes before or after the 2/4 beats?, they use lots of different beats, and there's sometimes rimshots and claps layered, with reverb fx on sometimes, delay feedback fx , layered beats like on 'Superstring' which has got like a layered samba-type pattern etc, there's delays at work sometimes subtley on kiks....

but if you mean the snares are just dropped on the 2 and 4 behind the beat, i cant hear that on any sasha/digweed comps ive heard it's smak on the beat to me...

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Message 3/9 15-Jun-00 @ 11:34 AM - RE: Layering Snares for Trance Drums

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try experimenting with different lengths of snare/clap sounds as that can alter the groove - as can the length of the reverb on the sample.

as for them not being exactly on the 2nd/4th beat - i have to agree with k. if there's any off-beat groove, it tends not to be on these notes... for example, the groove quantizes on cubase/logic do not affect these notes...

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Message 4/9 15-Jun-00 @ 11:36 AM - RE: Layering Snares for Trance Drums

max coombe

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btw, layering your snare sounds will affect the sound of the snare, but won't directly affect the timing of the groove unless the length of the sound changes as i mentioned above... but this is by default rather than an intrinsic result of layering...

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Message 5/9 15-Jun-00 @ 12:21 PM - RE: Layering Snares for Trance Drums

raver

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I think both of you are right, I just need to fiddle with the fx on the snare and the actual sound of it. Thanks for the help!

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Message 6/9 16-Jun-00 @ 05:20 PM - RE: Layering Snares for Trance Drums

Andreas Chatzakis

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Have you tried using shuffle quantising on your sequencer?
It makes everything so funky!

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Message 7/9 19-Jun-00 @ 08:32 AM - RE: Layering Snares for Trance Drums

raver

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Does Cubase have a shuffle? What I've been doing is programming drums in Fruityloops, and then export the midi file out to cubase. For some reason I don't think the shuffle works when I use just midi in Fruityloops. I'm using Fruityloops/Cubase to control my Drumstation.

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Message 8/9 19-Jun-00 @ 08:58 AM - RE: Layering Snares for Trance Drums

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cubase definitely has a shuffle - check out the groove quantizes.

other thing you can try is quantizing your hats/snares to 8t or 16t. (triplets)instead of straight quantizes.

happy funkin'...

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Message 9/9 23-Jun-00 @ 03:29 PM - RE: Layering Snares for Trance Drums

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In addition to layering different sounds, don't forget to try different velocity values too... This can spice up an otherwise mechanical groove. Like making grace notes or off beats a lower velocity than the 2-4 snare...

Good luck!

-Craig

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