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Original Message 1/23 26-Oct-00 @ 12:47 PM - Are the effects really worth it?!

Maarten

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I thought about upgrading my MPC with the effects board. Having no idea what the costs would be (was thinking in the range of $200-250), I called my dealer and was corrected to $600. For less ca$h I can buy an external dedicated device (lexicon amongst others.), a Zip drive and additional memory. I'm wondering now if someone can tell me if the MPC's add-on is really worth it.
I'd really like to hear what you think.

Thanks in advance,

-M-

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Message 2/23 26-Oct-00 @ 02:09 PM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

nobody

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they are just barely worth having in my 6000, but they do rock for drums soemtimes.. ringmod/distortion into a crappy akai gated reverb, yum.. i don't really know much about the MPC fx.. i dunno. external fx RULE!! as long as they aren't noisy

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Message 3/23 27-Oct-00 @ 03:39 AM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

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it's nice to have for EQ.if you have a lil mixer and the distortions fun.

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besides do as many upgrades as you can at the same time cause there are alot of screws on it.Make sure you just screw in four to test it it sucks to screw all 18 or whatever screwz in there and realize you didn't get it plugged in good.Don't push on one side of the ribbon cable it unplugs the other side,and don't touch the transformer OUCH.

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Message 4/23 27-Oct-00 @ 08:34 AM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

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i just noticed you said $600 for the fx card I paid $350 for mine,WTF?

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Message 5/23 27-Oct-00 @ 01:14 PM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

Maarten

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Fucking dutch distributers! Think it's worth it? I don't know.. really looking at the MPX100 now.

-M-

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Message 6/23 28-Oct-00 @ 12:10 AM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

r-tek

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I have the card and I prolly wouldn`t have bothered if I had to buy mine again, even tho you get more busses. Buy external. $600? Jesus, even we dont havta pay that much.

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Message 7/23 29-Oct-00 @ 06:57 AM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

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Why is it $600? it's just a small pcb w/ a few chips and a plug.Your gear must have cost you a billion dollars WTF.

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feeling sorry for Maarten

That's almost double.I thought about moving over there Thanks for clearing that up.

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Message 8/23 30-Oct-00 @ 11:29 AM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

Maarten

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Well, I don't feel fucked over my other equipment... MPC cost me about $1300. TB, $800... SH, $350 just to name a few. It's normally not all that bad... The dope is dope so there's your reason to come over here.;)

-M-

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Message 9/23 30-Oct-00 @ 06:04 PM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

99devils

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And that's fucking cheap as well, so take all that $$$ you save on kind bud and roll on over to A'dam... Wish I could pick up and move there myself.

-Craig

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Message 10/23 31-Oct-00 @ 04:17 AM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

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maarten you speak the truth so well.I'll mail ya.WTF i'm up for anything especially a change of venue.

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the dope iz dope.ha ha.you mean it's not repressed baby laxative w/ a lil crap in it?

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Message 11/23 31-Oct-00 @ 08:47 AM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

Maarten

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They put in extra here! Yay!

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Message 12/23 01-Nov-00 @ 01:11 PM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

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I've found the eb-16 fx card very usefull. Reasons I got one instead of an outboard fx unit was that you can then apply diff send levels to each sound going out on the same channel. Even better, when you save your Program, you save the various different levels of effects. If you had an outboard unit, you would need to tweak your fx levels on your mixer each time you loaded that preset. The fx are good for distortion and mod effects, delay etc. They have that distinct akai sound to them, which is good. However, for true lush effects, a dedicated unit would be better. I use my akai fx on presets where I have lots of individual samples I want to engineer differently.. eg.. drums !!

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Message 13/23 02-Nov-00 @ 03:32 PM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

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I don't have an MPC but....

EB-16? This kicks the dingle berries out of the MPX100, which I took back to Toys R Us.

And think about is mate...one less rack unit; plenty-o-wires less; and your signal path is not degraded by AD/DA conversions, imo, very important.

You've got maddening presets, great verbs and some "non other than Akai" delays.

The ONLY real prob for me is that the board only allows the effects to come out of 2 outputs at a time (L+R, {1-8 or main}...poopoo on akai for that, cus for that kinda do$h, i should have more flexible routing...ENTER MINI RANT: I mean hell AKAI, WTF? a 4 bus effects unit with only 2 out choices OUT OF 10!!! What's wrong with the air in Austin ehh?? EXIT MINI RANT (thank you)

I'm sure someone can order and ship you one from Stateside. Paypal is international now.

GT

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Message 14/23 02-Nov-00 @ 07:40 PM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

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They're in Ft.Worth which is a long way from austin and the machines are designed in japan and made in japan or china so whatever is in the air in Austin probably has nothing to do w/ it.

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lot's of cheeb smoke in the air in Austin they have $40 ounces.

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Message 15/23 02-Nov-00 @ 10:49 PM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

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err, ya Ft Worth

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Message 16/23 03-Nov-00 @ 12:05 AM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

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nah, the efx aint all that compared to what you`ll get form an external box and you can just bung program change messages for the efx box at the start of a sequence to sort out the recall thing. 1 more box maybe, but it`ll go a lot further.

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Message 17/23 03-Nov-00 @ 04:30 AM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

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I'll assume you've heard the eb16....a quality box = 600USD + eazily.

Don't swear at me r-tek by saying MPX-100 or the 1 for that matter, utter marketing shite from Lexi.

GT

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Message 18/23 03-Nov-00 @ 11:24 AM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

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I *have* the eb16, I cant figuer out if you`re joking or not to be honest. I`m not familiar with lexicons but the efx boxes which I have used ahve been better quality and offered more variety, if not all the busses of the akai board.

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Message 19/23 03-Nov-00 @ 08:47 PM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

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I have not heard the MPX-100 from Lexicon myself. However, I have heard the MPX-1 (own a LXP-15 II which is similar in sound IMHO) and I also own the EB-16 board for my MPC. If you don't like the Lexicon stuff GT, you're one of few people. Personally, the MPX-1 offers more control over the fx, has more to tweak, has a more dense (IMHO) reverb than the EB-16 has.

I'm not saying the EB-16 is crap - I've certainly heard worse. However, your comment of "don't swear at me...." if uncalled for. If you don't like the MPX boxes that is fine and that is your personal opinion. Knocking someone cuz they have a different personal opinion (and taste which sound quality is largely based on) is uncalled for.

Where I see the EB-16 is for convenience. If I did all of my work in-studio, I would never have spent my money on the EB-16. However, it comes in handy for live use as I can store my fx settings for each program and recall them easily without having to bring along another box and without having to worry about setting up the right fx settings via midi for the external box.

Just MHO anyway. Don't take it personal ;-)
fv

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Message 20/23 04-Nov-00 @ 12:04 PM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

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I know one thing The VF-1 sounds good and it can take a 2 1/2 ft drop(I dont like testing this capability in a machine)and not even end up w/ loose solder and it works fine.It landed on a polyethelene storage bin lid as I walked by and thought as I heard that second hit from the bounce"i hope that wasn't my VF-1 and turned around and almost freqd.i ran for an outlet while shaking vigorously to check for loose parts and when i plugged it in it powered up perfect and still on the last preset i powered down on so I can say that it's worth it soundwise and build quality.

-;) I imagine the look on my face peobably would have made a great DL photo.takes a lickin and keeps on tickin.

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Message 21/23 05-Nov-00 @ 08:24 PM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

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whoa ^fv, Lexi(the pioneers) make great boxes, except the mpx-100. the mpx-1? i've never used it..im sure its very nice. (btw, im not upset, sorry to seem that way). I'm just a bastard who expects more for the money (lol, mpx-100 = $229). They got me, I admit it fully...I bought it cus i said "hmm, must be good, it's a lexicon".

r-tek, sorry man, i tried to leave a laugh line but im not anygood at written expression

PCM-81/90 - No one can touch 'em.

Personally tho, after many opinons on prorec etc AND other research AND use, I'm going soft...WAVES Gold bundle software that is.

bit by bit,

GT

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Message 22/23 06-Nov-00 @ 02:16 AM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

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Hi GT,

Lexicon makes great boxes, I agree with you there. They are not the be-all and end-all. Sometimes other boxes can produce a better desired sound. It's all about knowing what you need for a particular application. I brought the MPX-1 into my post because you posted "Don't swear at me r-tek by saying MPX-100 or the 1 ....". I assumed by the "or the 1" you meant the MPX-1 which, is in a different league.

When it comes to these kinds of boxes you typically get what you pay for. If you ever heard the LXP-1 and LXP-5 you'd understand as well. I never liked those boxes either, even though they were Lexi's. When you buy something for $200, it's going to sound like it. When you buy something for $1000 (ie roughly the MPX-1's price) it will sound like it. When you buy something for $10,000 (like the Lexi 966), then you're in heaven.

For the money, software fx are getting quite good as are some of the software synths. I apologize if I came on strong. That was not my intention. Some people take their gear so personally as it seemed from your post. To me, they're just boxes. If I find a use for them, then that's good. I don't care if someone else thinks it is crap.

Oh well, best regards,
fv

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Message 23/23 06-Nov-00 @ 02:39 AM - RE: Are the effects really worth it?!

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The LXP-1 and LXP-5 are great used bargains get the mrc editor for them and it's a nice little setup.The TC M-1 the delay are based upon some of the best electronics from the late 80s and you had to pay 5K for these fx back then.

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I want an M-1

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