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Original Message 1/22 24-Dec-99 @ 12:15 PM - GoodSource4SampleCDs?

sitar

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I'm looking for a good online source to purchase sample CDs. Most I am finding are located in Europe and don't seem to have an option for intl shipping. Does anyone know of any in the US? Or else an off the street store in NYC? The mega stores like SamAsh are too bustling with people to focus on listening to samples. I've seen soundsonline.com

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Message 2/22 24-Dec-99 @ 01:30 PM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

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Don`t waste yer money sitar, find someone your side of the pond who can burn em up 4 u at a "discount" price, cos a lot of sample CD`s r shit. Think of it as "try b4 u buy" so, if u do find one u like, u can then buy the original - I`ve got maybe 20 of the buggers and I dont use any of them...........well, tell a lie "distorted reality" 1+2 r good, as are the Korg Prophecy and Universe disks, but other than that, they tend not 2 b too much kop.

Disclaimer: that wasn`t me that wrote the above, it was someone else.

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Message 3/22 24-Dec-99 @ 02:44 PM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

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Sitar,
Big Fish Audio and East-West offer online, secure ordering. Big Fish has a fair selection of online demo's. East-West let's you preview select individual samples (loops actually) for purchase and download. I've purchased from both and my preference was for Big Fish. Ilio is also going to offer online orders but I've not checked their site in awhile. zZounds also sells sample CD's. Just do a search on Sample CD and you'll see a decent selection.

I partially disagree with R-Tek regarding how good some of the CD's are. I don't care for the construction kit formats but I can see how some might find them useful. I just bought one of the Steingberg Sounds&Cycles CD's but I've not had time to even open it up yet. It's mixed mode, i.e., AIFF, WAV, REX, Audio. I've one of the mixed mode CD's from Creative Essentials series but I wouldn't buy it again. We'll see how the Steinberg one sounds. IMO, the best CDs are those with long loops and/or lots of variation that you can cut & paste from. A lot of the breakbeat CDs give you lots of loops but no varitions. I'm planning on buying a copy of ReCycle in the near future to help solve that problem.

Try to find a couple hours to knock around a local Guitar Center that has one of those CD listening booths. You'll get a better feel for what is overhyped vs. what is useful.

http://www.bigfishaudio.com/
http://www.soundsonline.com/

good luck,
jondl

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Message 4/22 24-Dec-99 @ 02:51 PM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

R-Tek

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The cds with synthy stuff on can b usefull but other than that, I think you`re wasting your time.

Jondl - u dont need recycle 2 get variations on loops - just make 8 copies of the same sample, truncate each sample into a 1/8 segment of the original (say the samples 40,000 samples long, that means each piece is 5000 so the 1st copy from 0 - 5000, the 2nd from 5001 - 10,000 etc, etc), Map em across your keyboard and get jamming - all the drum edits u could possibly want. Recycle is usefull, but not essential, dude.

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Message 5/22 24-Dec-99 @ 05:41 PM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

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That's a good tip - I'd read something similar either online or in the manual. I need to make the effort to try it first hand. If memory servers, this should be easy on the X as there is a shortcut to mark loop start & end points by percentage of the entire loop - in effect, achieving what you describe without having to spend time truncating the loop.

As far as the sample CDs go, we'll agree to disagree. Personally, I'm not big on the prefab dance loops. They're fun but not what I buy Sample CDs for. I go for exotic world beat type stuff. You know, the type of instruments I can't play convincingly using sample. For me, it's a step up from my old Proteus 3/World.

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Message 6/22 24-Dec-99 @ 05:47 PM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

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Yeah cool, horses for courses and all that.

An that shortcut, just marking the start and end points`ll prolly save time, just b carefull u dont run out of memory.

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Message 7/22 25-Dec-99 @ 08:08 AM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

sitar

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I have mixed feelings about sample cds because anything that's out there has been overused by now unless it's brand new, and I'd rather feel like "I made that sound" anyway...at least with synths and drum loops. Nonetheless, there are a couple of things that interest me. Thanks for giving me some more ideas of where to search for sample cds and why not to buy most of them once I've found them.

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Message 8/22 26-Dec-99 @ 12:35 AM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

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Hey Sitar!

Check out the link above at E/E. It lays out the specific answer you were looking for AND gives a step by step for R-Tek's good idea. The parameter you need to set is the Envelope Mode of ENV3.
jondl

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Message 9/22 26-Dec-99 @ 06:02 AM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

sitar

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Good one. I'll have to look at it again when I'm awake. It's 6 am and I gotta get to work. I'm trying to find more East West cds. One I am particularly interested in is East West. Soundsonline didn't show it. I did a search for EastWest. You can imagine everything that came up except for their website, assuming they have one.

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Message 10/22 26-Dec-99 @ 08:14 AM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

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So that tips on the e-mu site? I took it off Keltechs site, sure is a nice way 2 work with loops though. I`m gonna have 2 explore the emu site a bit more now.

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Message 11/22 26-Dec-99 @ 01:48 PM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

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Sitar - the East West website is known as Sounds Online. Try this:

http://www.soundsonline.com/

R-Tek - thx for the tip. I was up late last night after the family went to bed having a *great* time with some prefab techno beat off a demo CD.

jondl

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Message 12/22 26-Dec-99 @ 07:27 PM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

sitar

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Jondl..Thanks. I got it.

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Message 13/22 28-Dec-99 @ 01:29 PM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

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dont ferget - WAVESURGEON - does what recycle does but WAAAAAAY cheaper -

out of interest what samples do people want the most ?... i think we should start a 'SAMPLE CHAT FORUM'

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Message 14/22 28-Dec-99 @ 01:49 PM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

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Mmmmmm.........I`m always on the look out 4 synthy kinda stuff and individual drum hits (still looking 4 some er-1 hits though, if anyone knows where I can find em).

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Message 15/22 29-Dec-99 @ 07:45 AM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

sitar

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Stuff that's really heavily layered like pads. And I heard Chemical Beats. Won't pick it up but there is a lot going on in those grooves from what I remember.

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Message 16/22 29-Dec-99 @ 08:24 AM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

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When hunting for samples I'm usually looking for individual drum hits (more accoustic than electronic), samples/phrases of accoustic instruments (bass, guitar, ...) and generally weird noises.

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Message 17/22 29-Dec-99 @ 08:29 AM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

sitar

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Thing is, something like Chemical Beats has probably been used to death by now, and I imagine Samples from CDs can become cliche in a hurry. But to take a sample that has a lot of layers going on and try to make it unrecognizable AND good...well one might as well start from scratch. Pads I think can be used more often without making something sound cliche. So this leaves me asking...is there really much use for Sample CDs for musicians who want to make fresh sounds? Or are they more an expensive convenience? I think that for me, they might be more of an occasional tool. I'm not speaking from a lot of experience here. Any other opinos on the matter?

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Message 18/22 29-Dec-99 @ 08:53 AM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

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Purple Haze...I guess we were writing at the same time. The acoustic instruments make sense. And 9 CDs of largely acoustic instruments came with my sampler, so I guess I don't think so much in terms of looking for acoustic instruments right now.

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Message 19/22 31-Dec-99 @ 11:59 AM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

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New to the Sampler world, I have not yet gotten too deep into sample CD's, but I think that some nice pads and synthetic strings would be very useful. I am interested in drum kits, but I have 46 from my RM1X and an ER1, so I mostly sample those and have fun. I have to agree with Sitar - I like to make my own sounds (which is why I am getting rid of my keyboard in favor of a MW XT or Virus), loops seem pointless to me unless I make the loop and sample it. I found a website called Drumology a while ago but now it is gone. Where'd it go? Only the shadow knows for sure.

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Message 20/22 01-Jan-00 @ 11:16 PM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

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I started getting into working with loops about a half year ago and frankly I find it very inspiring. You can twist and turn a loop so many ways - with or without Wavesurgeon or ReCycle (as R-Tek pointed out) - that you can make something new out of it. Personally, I *like* being able to use other peoples performances to inspire ideas - otherwise I tend to fall into the same old boring habits. Also, as I've mentioned before, I tend to stay away from the pre-fab stuff and go for loops of instruments I've no particular to play myslef ;-)

A decent alternative to pre-fab drum loops are MIDI Files. You can map your own kits (great on an ASR-X Pro or other sampler) and burn your own loops! A MIDI file can be mixed, matched, mangled over and over again ad nauseum 'til you run out of idea's. Not a bad way to learn a style you're not accomplished at. Check out the Drum Grooves section here at DT for some inspiration along these very lines.

regards - and Happy New Year!

jondl

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Message 21/22 02-Jan-00 @ 03:10 PM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

sitar

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I picked up a CD Called XXX Pads (maybe only 2 Xs) by East West. I liked some of the sounds on it. As time goes on I am sure I will be able to create some of these more scintillating sounds myself, but they were inspiring to listen to so I bit the bullet. I imagine that many of these things are put together with sounds and samples of multiple synths layered on top of each other. What do ya think?

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Message 22/22 04-Jan-00 @ 09:12 PM - RE: GoodSource4SampleCDs?

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I think you are probably right! One of the cool things abouth synth samples on CD is that you can get sounds to emulate synths you couldn't possibly afford to own - and maintain in the case of vintage analog.

There are a couple of really excellent site on the web that you can find some great synth samples at:

http://www.analoguesamples.com/

...just get's better and better.

http://tilt.largo.fl.us/samples/samples.html

...used to sell a *great* budget Sample CD chock full of well made synth samples. I think the fellow got ripped off one time too many and packed it in but his sample library is still available for download. You can find a lot of nice '80's sounding synths here plus some decent drum kits.

Acces to sites like these basically inhibit me from buying synth sounds on Sample CD at retail prices. Loops are another matter as we've already discussed.

I've a few samples for download at my page that are okay. There are some great kits here at DT>

regards,
Jon

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