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Original Message 1/22 13-Apr-00 @ 06:48 AM - Live sequencer

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Within a years time I hope to be going live with my partner in dancemusic. I'm thinking hardware sequencer. I do all of my sequencing using Logic right now but have concerns about using a pc live.

Right now I have 2 possibilities. The one I'm asking about here is to use my E4XT ultra as my live sequencer. The other is to use my Roland XP-80. I know a lot of people use hardware like the RMX-1, or Roland's MC-XXs, and others. The type of music I am doing can best be described as Orbital-like. Does anyone here use their sampler to control live sets? I've never done this and if I can go without purchasing a hardware sequencer and use what I have without having to sacrifice spontaneity, I would be happy. Thanks much.

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Message 2/22 13-Apr-00 @ 05:35 PM - RE: Live sequencer

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hey sitar.. why not try a test... save a small logic arrangement as a midifile and see if it'll load into the XP... if not try setting the XP in record and sync-slave, and then with Logic set to out clock as master, play Logic, and see if you can stream-record the data over via a midi cable to the xp then save it to it's drive... then try it playing back...

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Message 3/22 14-Apr-00 @ 07:32 AM - RE: Live sequencer

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Thanks K for both forums. I will try that today I hope. Like I said in the other other forum, I suspect you know what will happen already

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Message 4/22 14-Apr-00 @ 11:44 AM - RE: Live sequencer

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1/2 way there. I saved a midi format file to floppy and loaded it into the XP-80. The XP-80 played it back but at this point I had to send midi from the XP-80 to the Supernova via Logic. Whatever track was selected in Logic was the one track that the midi would pass through. I sit there and watch the programs changing on that Logic track. No polyphony so I have to set about figuring out how to set the XP connection to the Supernova to get polyphony. Once I figure that out, I can add on my other modules. I have to figure out how to not use the computer as a go between though.

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Message 5/22 14-Apr-00 @ 12:18 PM - RE: Live sequencer

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OK here's what I'm thinking. I unplug the midi connection from my pc and in the pc's place put the XP. Then I just figure out how to use the XP as if it was Logic or Cakewalk. And come to think of it, both of those proggies have virtual keyboards so it's basically the same thing. only problem is that my midi interface is connected by way of parallel port to the pc and the XP doesn't have a parallel port. But once I figure out how to get around that I should be golden. Just thinking out loud, but if anyone has any advice, I'm all ears...as always

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Message 6/22 15-Apr-00 @ 07:51 AM - RE: Live sequencer

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Assuming the XP is only 16 part......

XP out=============>Supernova Midi In

Supernova out================>Xp in

and then connect that luvlee FS1Rs midi in 2 the Supernovas Midi thru and then yer doc202s midi in 2 the Yams midi thru.

u wont b able 2 use your pc midi interface with it, if the xp has 2 sets of midi ports, then give the Yam and Sn their own in and out. Apparently, the sequencer on the XP80 is meanta b [retty damn fine so u should have no worries matey.

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Message 7/22 15-Apr-00 @ 12:04 PM - RE: Live sequencer

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Thanks R-Tek. Except with all of that midi through, won't I have problems with timing glitches when there are too many notes?

Another thing is that if that is the way to do it, the 4XT ultra has 2 sets of midi ins/outs giving me 32 channels. I guess I need to experiment and find out which is more spontaneous to use live.

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Message 8/22 15-Apr-00 @ 02:22 PM - RE: Live sequencer

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forgot about your emu alltogether :-( depending on whats more important in your rig, give either that or the SN the in/out. I dont think you`ll b able 2 take advantage of the emus 32part timbrality *unless* u use the emus internal sequencer, I haven`t played with it too much but it seemed solid enuff 4 live use...........which gives me an idea - u could slave the emus sequencer 2 the XP which`ll give ya more ins, outs and throughs 2 connect everything up, and keep it all solid. I dunno too much about this kinda thing, but I`m sure its possible and very workable.

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Message 9/22 15-Apr-00 @ 03:02 PM - RE: Live sequencer

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That sounds promising. My main concern in all of this is that I want to find out how agile these pieces are outside of the studio...if I can do things quickly when I need to. I have to experiment. But thanks again amigo. That really is probably where it's gonna be at.

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Message 10/22 15-Apr-00 @ 03:08 PM - RE: Live sequencer

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Then again, is there some kind of midi interface that I could plug the XP into and it would function in the same way the pc does. in other words, instead of using the midi throughs my other modules would plug in and out of this midi interface the same way they do now and it would be the XP instead of the pc from where I can control everything? some of these bands have a dozen pieces of gear and they can't all be running through eachother.

And how the hell do remember all the gear I have ;(

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Message 11/22 15-Apr-00 @ 06:16 PM - RE: Live sequencer

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not sure if that possible cos the XPs sequencer will only b able manage 16 part :0 ( However, 2 get round the midi thru thing, u could get a midi thru box from Phillip Rees or Midiman :- ) which won`t give any more timbrality but will mean a much shorter midi-chain.

Anyway, I`m gonna experiment with syncing my emu sequencer 2 my MPC tomorrow cos thats what I was planning on doing if I ever ran out of timbrality meself (dont think I will though - once I`ve got drums and bass down theres not much left) so I`ll report back then.

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Message 12/22 15-Apr-00 @ 06:30 PM - RE: Live sequencer

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Let me know how it goes.

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Message 13/22 16-Apr-00 @ 11:50 AM - RE: Live sequencer

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jeez-us, this damn mpc

OK, as far as I can tell from my preliminary ex[eriments, its worked damn fine, the timing is tight, it imports standard midi files with no corruption, yada yada yada. I had 2 disconnect my emus midi out from my mpc though cos the akai was getting confused and thought it could just play any damn thing that it wanted (your xp should b fine though, its an akai thing I`m sure. One more thing I aint resolved yet though is controller channels - I had the modwheel controlling filtering on a break on one channel and controlling a filter sweep on a string patch and it got confused and did the fiter sweep on both, which weren`t too funny but I`m prolly just doing something wrong - try it 4 yerself, just use dos formatted floppies as the common currny between your sequencers and u *should*, with a bit of experimentation, b fine :-)

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Message 14/22 16-Apr-00 @ 12:48 PM - RE: Live sequencer

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it's gonna be a challenge. where do the floppies come in? you mean to load songs into the sequencer?

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Message 15/22 16-Apr-00 @ 01:22 PM - RE: Live sequencer

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yeah, just so u can load the midi files up. I forgot 2 say that getting the 2 to sync was a piece of piss and totally sans drama or confusion so u could b onto a winner

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Message 16/22 16-Apr-00 @ 01:45 PM - RE: Live sequencer

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Love it!!! Woohoo!!!

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Message 17/22 16-Apr-00 @ 03:07 PM - RE: Live sequencer

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Thanks R-Tek. It's gonna be a couple of days til I can really focus on it, but I'm excited it.

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Message 18/22 19-Apr-00 @ 02:42 PM - RE: Live sequencer

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As long as you're not using too much sysex info, and you're willing to break the sequences a little, so as to have a bit more spontanaeity, you can use a pair of mmt8's or an mc 50 mkii, and just record the info into the tracks zip zop zip, and you should have no problems whatsoever. Now I'm not sure what the mc 50 does while you're trying to load on the fly, but then again, I don't know how elaborite your sequences are and if you'll need to relaod after each tune/track/series of grooves/ whatever or not. But it is a thought. No need for conversion. Just record the info right in, and then spit it right back out. Easy peasy.

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Message 19/22 20-Apr-00 @ 06:39 AM - RE: Live sequencer

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Thanks Pongoid. I will keep that info handy. I've never doe live with this type of equipment and appreciate your input. Ease of use and spontaneity is the thing I'm looking for.

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Message 20/22 21-Apr-00 @ 09:19 PM - RE: Live sequencer

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damnit listen!!

ok then. pongoid saying a roland would do???

me i'd go for a new Q80EXe.. but sitar, you know that.. actually i do plan to order one soon...

bah.

don't listen then. listen to the crickets.

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Message 21/22 22-Apr-00 @ 07:57 AM - RE: Live sequencer

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Shit yea. Pongoid. I didn't even put 2 and 2 together. Roland??? Maybe you need a couple of days rest, get the fever down

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Message 22/22 24-Apr-00 @ 06:13 PM - RE: Live sequencer

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Yeah, I know. I had to bite my tongue, but the fact of the matter is that both the mc50 and the mkii work quite well. I can't fault Roland on most of their older pieces. It's just that most folks got hung up on the cheap stuff that roland is, and never went beyond into the really nice stuff like Sequential, and Moog, and EMS, and the like. However, these big companies never really went into sequncing like Alesis and Roland did. Maybe they were more geared toward live manipulation, and use with more musicians than Roland's mini-studio concept, hence the tr/tb/sh/mc series (not sh-3 or sh-5). Enough incoherent mumbles. Try it. these things are easy to come by, and easy to get rid of. If it works for you keep it.....

Ape

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