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Original Message 1/23 14-Oct-98 @ 06:52 PM - If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

AudioPro21

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Last week the stienberg-event tour came to my town(Seattle) and at that tour they were selling VST/24 for the PC!!!! I had just bought my 3.5 producer pac from Guitar Center and they were selling this new pac with VST\24, Wavelab2.0, Free Filter, and The Rennisuance Compressor. There were some very cool package deals featuring this new VST\24 producer pac and the Event Layla. Some how I managed to get Guitar Center (not Stienberg they have never replied to any thing ever) to take back my pac and give me the new one for only $50. So if your planing on setting up a system wait till the Stienberg-Event tour comes to your town!!!

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Message 2/23 16-Oct-98 @ 01:46 AM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

kilo

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hmmm.... that is a bit cheeky.....trying to get rid of old stock..... well, bare in mind you need more power to run it... and 2X the disk space if you use 24 bit files.... (24bit occupies twice the memory of 16 bit....)

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Message 3/23 23-Oct-98 @ 01:30 AM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

AudioPro21

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Well, actually it doesn't take any more power to run VST\24, unless your trying to use all of the added capabilities, more tracks, more processing, and 24 Bit files only take up about a quarter more disk space.

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Message 4/23 24-Oct-98 @ 04:00 PM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

kilo

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er...blubber...er........well it should surely need more power if you encode & work in 24 bit resolution... for example, you cant run VST24 on anything other than a G� in the mac range apparently. ... cos obviously, it requires more processing power to process the same thing in the same time given the higher bit rate....

cant understand your claim there .... at 44.1KHz , a stereo 8 bit file need 5.25MB to store a 1 minute file.....
whereas for double the bit rate, 16 bit it doubles to
10.5MB for the same... doubling again to 24 bit surely doubles the space again.... after all, 24 bit is not a quarter more than 16 bit, it's double 16 bit as we are working in binary multiples of 8..... or is that incorrect??.......

anyways... stuff VST... i'm sick of it's problems... Logic rulez for me now.... i can finaly get some work done... it is twice as fast to use.... and , hate to say it... the Logic features are way better for dance.... i've been a Cubase man for over 10 years.... oh well....

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Message 5/23 28-Oct-98 @ 08:00 AM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

Loafdog

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They are easier for dance, not better. Compare any audio programs in the same price range as VST, and VST will always come out on top. Also, I am not to sure about your math skills, if you think two times sixteen is twenty-four, its know wonder you can't use VST.

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Message 6/23 31-Oct-98 @ 02:48 PM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

Purple Haze

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a 44.1Khz 24 bit file will take exactly 50% more space on your hd (and in memory ofcourse) than a 16 bit file and 3 times as much as an 8 bit file.
Now with that talk about 96Khz (I believe it was) and 24bit, that would take about 17 megs for one minute, compared to about 5 meg for 44.1Khz/16 bit (mono). It will also take more processor power to accomplish the same thing.

and by the way... I don't like vst either, it works sluggish and is unpredictable. If it works for you... great!

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Message 7/23 02-Nov-98 @ 10:35 AM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

kilo

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Loafdog... you're a twit........... next you'll be telling me a 100 watt amp is 10 times louder than a 10 watt amp.... groan.....

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Message 8/23 02-Nov-98 @ 11:09 AM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

Kelaperse

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Does the new version (3.6 or whatever?) fix any bugs, unstability or that kinda issues? Anybody heard anything? I'm personally not so interested in 24bits or 96khz:s.

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Message 9/23 09-Nov-98 @ 02:57 AM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

jcobb

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Well haven't heard anything - but from experience, 3.6 fixed a problem for me...

Only recently upgraded to VST, and the multimedia drivers (that have to be used when recording, as DirectX won't record) were so noisy on playback, I could hardly hear the existing tracks when laying down some new audio.

Tried everything I could think of, and every option on the audio system menu, to no avail.

Upgraded to 3.6 from 3.55, and the problem disappeared.

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Message 10/23 09-Nov-98 @ 03:20 AM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

kilo

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well, it's not about money is it.... for dance, it's about a FUCKING STABLE CLOCK...... gawd 'elp us !!

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Message 11/23 10-Nov-98 @ 07:57 AM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

Butch Vig

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Hey Loafdog & Kilo,
1 min 44.1 8 Bit= 2.5 Megs
1 min 44.1 16 Bit= 5.0 Megs
1 min 44.1 24 Bit= 7.5 Megs

Don't get so pissy, niether of you know what your talking about!!
Screw all these programs, get rich (joke) and buy a system that works!!
Pro-Tools!!!

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Message 12/23 10-Nov-98 @ 05:44 PM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

chrisby47

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now now children this one is getting abit messy it's actually 44.1 8bit...................

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Message 13/23 10-Nov-98 @ 08:04 PM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

kilo

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oh deary me..... well...i cant understand it, cos a 24 bit word is 8 digits longer than 16 bit which is 8 digits longer than 8 bit...

regardless of that... my system works fine thanks... without having to spend 20K..... i do wish non-dance techies would stay out of it...... personally, i'd never use anything but 30 ips analog for rock material, but that's not what we're talking about here is it.......for dance, i cant see 24 bit being the slightest use... the programme material simply is not critical enuff to be worth it.... maybe for classical, or an Elaine Page or Sting album, yes

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Message 14/23 19-Nov-98 @ 07:10 AM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

Quincy Jernes

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I don't see why anyone would really want 96 bit technology when the megaherts for a basic 16 channel track would encompass more than enough of a musical extrapolation to expedite any chord as long as your scuzzy is upgraded to Windows 97...

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Message 15/23 19-Nov-98 @ 05:14 PM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

kilo

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heh heh very good Quincy... are you Welsh or a Geordie by any chance ??....(sir-name sounds it)

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Message 16/23 24-Nov-98 @ 10:21 PM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

mike

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I have one answer to all of your problems....buy a MAC .Have had only one problem using VST and now they fixed it. It is the most stable piece of softwareI have used ..so far......... I think it kicks ass... PC users ..You need a new computer. bahh byyyeeee.

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Message 17/23 25-Nov-98 @ 05:39 AM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

Hilevelt

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Yes, well, since you're ranting on about formats here
(though inappropriately), please give me a little insight
as to 1) how is the transition from cubase to logic and 2)
which would you recommend for a BRAND-newbie. I'd like to
hook my brother up w/ his first sequen

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Message 18/23 14-Dec-98 @ 04:56 AM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

P. Quigsley Drainsbottom, Phd.

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I notice the debate on these pages involving the degree to which the rules of logic may be followed, or utilised, in the act of musical composition. The entire issue of emphasizing the logical over the random or unexpected whilst composing is one I feel compelled to address, in that the artistic process is, to my way of thinking, by nature intuitive; thus the reliance upon or adherence to rigid systems of rational order and logical verifiability can quite effectively impede the flow of creativity. A separate discussion "thread" may be warranted to examine, through the dialectical discourse of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis, the relationship between the left and right hemispheres of the brain, their concommitant intellectual propensities, and the most beneficial and fortuitous manner of achieving that state of musical connectedness so ardently sought by the world's greatest composers. I hope this will be of some assistance to those still plagued by the need to conform to precepts of "logic" and "sense" in the course of their artistic pursuits.

P. Quiqley Drainsbottom, Phd.

P.S. The concept of "synthesis" appears also to be widely misunderstood in these pages; I will elucidate my thoughts thereon in a separate posting.

P. Q. D.

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Message 19/23 15-Dec-98 @ 04:29 AM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

kilo

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well, the best transition to Logic, is that it fucking works !!.... yes... it's interface LOOKs the same... but is different in the way it functions..... once youve sorted that out, it is very simple indeed....

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Message 20/23 30-Dec-98 @ 03:09 AM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

you guys are crazy

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I think both of you should shut the hell up and buy CAKEWALK..Hey i think i just had the last word...yippppeee

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Message 21/23 31-Dec-98 @ 09:17 AM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

kilo

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no you didnt.... well, yeah, cake is great... they are all great when they work, and each has strong points.... but i just found of the threee, logic was the most stable....and reliable... the newer VST's are getting more reliable... but it still can be problematic....

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Message 22/23 31-Dec-98 @ 01:34 PM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

Kelaperse

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I've had very little problems with VST if any.. 3.6 seems to be even better than the earlier versions. I had a cracked version of Native Power Pack installed and my system crashed very often. Now as I have uninstalled it, it's stable again.

Native Power Pack uses too much processor power for me anyway... Vintage PP is great and doesn't need that much power.

I started wondering what was I supposed to say.. but it was the ReWire thing! I guess I'll better start a new topic on that one...

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Message 23/23 01-Jan-99 @ 05:54 PM - RE: If you are going to buy VST, WAIT!!!

kilo

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just tried out lateer VST version.. (see 'REPENT' thread).... great !!!.... impressed..... it's true, as each version comes out, it gets more sorted so it seems....that is why I'd stick with a 16 bit version for now..... maybe upgrade after the pc prices come down furhter, and it's cheaper to bump up the machine,... it should also give steinberg enuff time to iron out any new Version bugs

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