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Original Message 1/8 04-Sep-00 @ 07:12 PM - cd player vs decks
i saw some top loading cd players. I was wondering if i could do the
same thing with the cd players as i can with the tables?
Cause it would be much easyer for me to cds then vinyl.
Message 2/8 05-Sep-00 @ 03:40 AM - RE: cd player vs decks
There's no reason not to use CDs if you've already got a decent collection.
Using CD and vinyl means you have all the advantages:
You get the tracks which only appear on 1 media
You potentially get a relatively cheap way of recording and DJing your own material (on CDR).
I find that CDJs are not as accurate as vinyl decks for pitch adjustment, but make up for it in their ability to cue from a point and instantly jump back to that point on a button press.
The pioneer jog wheel works 'kind of' like a vinyl deck in that you can push or pull the track back into beat alignment - very useful.
The other sometimes-useful feature on the Pioneer decks is the master-pitch, which allows you to adjust tempo without changing pitch. Can sound a bit strange if used too heavily, but for small pitch adjustments, can be used to match up a track and then pull it/push it back to it's natural tempo without the crowd noticing.
Only down-side to CDJing is that you'll probably have to carry around your own CDJs to most parties, since many parties/clubs will still be surprised to hear that you don't use vinyl.
I say go for it!
Message 3/8 05-Sep-00 @ 07:54 AM - RE: cd player vs decks
i have a denon 2600f and the thing is rock solid.
i like the little pioneer 100s as well, great for the price.
don't listen to all the crap the vinyl bigots give you, if you have tons of cds then get a cd deck. you might wanna pick up at least 1 1200 in case you don't have time to burn off the vinyl.
i have been showing up with my own cd decks for years. everyone seems to expect it now, no big deal.
later
jamey
Message 4/8 05-Sep-00 @ 05:44 PM - RE: cd player vs decks
Ape
Message 5/8 05-Sep-00 @ 09:09 PM - RE: cd player vs decks
i found it very easy to go from cd decks to vinyl (from denon back in 94ish i think).
really it depends on what you spin. if you spin drum n bass, trance, house, breaks, etc there is almost no difference in what you are doing technically.
if you are doing hip hop or some bad boy bill scratching madness then of course vinyl is the only choice.
if he has mostly cds, he should get a couple of decks as well as pick up a 1200 so he isn't left looking stupid if he ever does have to spin vinyl.
vinyl is good for certain things, and cds are good for others so know both.
matter fact (like i always say in these threads) if you are a good dj you should be able to spin tracks off anything (mp3, cd, md, vinyl etc)
besides, how many things can you get as mp3 that you can't find the vinyl for? :-) a whole lot of stuff that was out and now can't be found. burn those puppies off to cds and roll with em... i always have buddies letting me grab their latest vinyls and burn em off. it works out nice for me personally. also, if i am in the studio, i wrap up a track and then take it out and try it on the crowd. much better than dub plates imo.
but you bring up very valid points about the pioneer dj it for you stuff... that will get you nowhere but laughed at. alot of the mp3 dj players try and do that also.
if you are pitching and matching tempos and moving the crowd while doing it that is all that matters... whatever the media play a great set and you will be respected.
jamey
Message 6/8 06-Sep-00 @ 02:36 AM - RE: cd player vs decks
I found the transition from CJ to vinyl quite easy - the worst part being setting up an initial cue point.
The new Pioneer 'does it all for you' idea does scare me a bit though. I think you'll find that it's aimed at the 'Harry's mobile disco' type market. I can't see many *real* DJs using it.
Chris
Message 7/8 07-Sep-00 @ 01:31 PM - RE: cd player vs decks
1. You can look at a 12" and tell where the breakdowns are straightaway (dakrer colour on the wax)
2. If a cartridge goes on you its easy to replace quickly while doing a gig. if a cd lens goes youre screwed !!!
3. Most record labels still dont supply DJ promos on cd. so you find what youre spinning is about 2-4 months behind date.
It really depends on what youre doing. If its just a hobby choose cd decks, if you want to take it more seriously choose vinyl
Message 8/8 08-Sep-00 @ 04:53 AM - RE: cd player vs decks
'course this means that carrying around vinyl is heavier.
I know loads of DJs who carry CDs in a multi-pouch from country to country.
It gets around the 'work permit' restrictions problem to an extent. If customs stop you with a box of vinyl - it's a bit of a give-away. If they stop you with a pouch of CDs and a portable player - then they're for personal listening use...
;o)
A good proportion of psychedelic trance (the style I play) is promo-ed on CD. If I get a track from an artist - it's usually on CD.
Another advantage of CD is that you can tell exactly how long a track has to go to completion - doesn't tell you when the kick drum's going to stop though...
;o)
Chris
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