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Original Message 1/59 29-Nov-00 @ 03:16 PM - punchy kick drums
thanks
Message 2/59 29-Nov-00 @ 04:55 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
All this has been said before but hey.
I generally trigger another fairly subtle noise along with a fairly dull kick (currently favoring a sharp rim with the eq cutting off the high frequencies), this kind of gives the initial punch noise and the underlying drum kind of carries the bass past the initial kick. You can also apply fx to the rim (or whatever noise you use) seperatly to the kick. Also, if the drum is sounding really muddy, try cutting the *really* low frequencies with a decent filter, I didn't realise how much subsonic noise I had on my kicks until I took my kit round to a friends house where he had a proper PA system, cutting it made the world of difference and it also lets the bassline shine through.
If you haven't already tried it, you could give Stomper Ultra a go, a free PC drum synth that exports WAVs. I'd be very curious to know how some of the pro's do it, especially the NU-NRG type kick thats common with Nukleuz and the like at the moment. Anybody?
Message 3/59 29-Nov-00 @ 05:34 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
i have stomper and have just started actually using it some. that was what i have been using to double the kick in tune with the bass.
sorry to be ignorant, but what is NU-NRG? i live a sheltered life in the central us.
thanks
Message 4/59 30-Nov-00 @ 01:01 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
if you found a drumsound that sounds like you like it, and sampled it at the right level and all...it should sound good. with no more processing necessary except to taste?
Message 5/59 30-Nov-00 @ 01:48 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 6/59 30-Nov-00 @ 06:45 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 7/59 30-Nov-00 @ 10:29 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
www.bangingtunes.com
(you can search for HardHouse, NU-NRG, Trance, HardTrance, AcidTechno or Psychodelic tracks by artist / name released over the last few years and listen to them as well)
Message 8/59 30-Nov-00 @ 10:48 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
I wouldn't advice to sample everything. It's SO easy to just sample a well-produced record and never learn how to do it by yourself. There are already millions of artists sounding alike and it only seems to get worse. The sampling technology was supposed to break boundaries, not make them. The same with computers, they could make computers do anything but instead they make programs that emulate 20 years old synths or programs that create "music" by choosing which loop to use.
Don't sample, do it on your own. Or if you sample, be creative. Don't sample a house record if you want to make a house record, it is lame. Sample something and turn it into something completely different. That's what the original hip hop culture was about, using old funk records to create something new. Nothing new has happened in the last 8-10 years though... sad, really.
Yes, I am a nazi ;)
Message 9/59 30-Nov-00 @ 03:13 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
NU-NRG....interesting, sounds like a cross between hard house, trance, with a little bit of speed garage and hardcore. can't say i've heard anything like it here in the states, but then again i don't get out much.
peace
Message 10/59 30-Nov-00 @ 04:57 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
!???! - huh?
Message 11/59 01-Dec-00 @ 10:32 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
nothing new in 10 years? hmmm. pretty bold statement!
well, then fella...you want your own sounds...trial and error. keep workin. take notes. read trade mags and maybe some books..and on and on. then youll find out how to do it yourself.
isnt, uh, sampling...the same as ASKING how do I do this?
Message 12/59 01-Dec-00 @ 01:54 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
Depends on how you do it. Sampling something to make something new is ok, sampling something because you aren't able to do it yourself is not.
I would love to make kick drums as punchy as Daft Punk's. But instead of sampling them I learn how to use the eq and the compressor better. My music sucks now but when I learn all the tricks I will be good and, more importantly, original. If I just sampled everything instead of learning how to do them myself I would be able to make good music a lot faster but it wouldn't be original, it would be just me ripping off some artists.
"nothing new in 10 years? hmmm. pretty bold statement! "
More or less. The last really new thing was the birth of drum'n'bass and that happened 9 or 10 years ago. Production quality is now 10x better than 10 years ago but music-wise there hasn't been happening that much lately.
"isnt, uh, sampling...the same as ASKING how do I do this? "
Err... NO
Sampling a guitar melody from Hendrix is not the same thing as asking him to teach you a few tricks =)
Message 13/59 01-Dec-00 @ 04:35 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
'More or less. The last really new thing was the birth of drum'n'bass and that happened 9 or 10 years ago. Production quality is now 10x better than 10 years ago but music-wise there hasn't been happening that much lately.'
i find it hard to believe that you could make such a BROAD asessment like this. so.. have you heard ALL MUSIC then? come on.. just because you haven't actively looked, does not mean it's not there. examples? no, that's not my place
Message 14/59 02-Dec-00 @ 12:43 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
let me get a bit more encoded and stored on the net, I'l let you smell something new.
Ape
Message 15/59 02-Dec-00 @ 06:57 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 16/59 02-Dec-00 @ 06:25 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
please !!... give up teemu cos, no offense, but you're talking total shite mate
Message 17/59 03-Dec-00 @ 02:41 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 18/59 03-Dec-00 @ 12:32 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
I wouldn't go as far to say nothing's changed in the last 10 MONTHS, never mind YEARS. Put another way, I couldn't envisage many records from today being released in 1990. So yeah, total shite ;-)
Message 19/59 03-Dec-00 @ 02:00 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 20/59 03-Dec-00 @ 04:11 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 21/59 05-Dec-00 @ 03:18 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
Hey k, Are the emax's filters midi controlable.
Message 22/59 05-Dec-00 @ 05:22 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 23/59 05-Dec-00 @ 10:22 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 24/59 06-Dec-00 @ 06:48 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 25/59 06-Dec-00 @ 11:04 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 26/59 06-Dec-00 @ 11:47 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 27/59 06-Dec-00 @ 11:52 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
i think my old ST had that for monitor?
something
maybe amiga
Message 28/59 07-Dec-00 @ 06:27 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 29/59 10-Dec-00 @ 01:28 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 30/59 10-Dec-00 @ 03:06 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
Great analog filters, but less than a
meg of sampling? Ouch. Fine for
drums, and that's about it.
Peaceout,
Peter
Message 32/59 13-Dec-00 @ 08:28 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 33/59 14-Dec-00 @ 08:25 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
when I had mine I got some pretty damn cool sounds out of it. solid basses, swooshy sounds, etc...
but I still like my E4
Message 34/59 14-Dec-00 @ 09:21 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 35/59 15-Dec-00 @ 11:17 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
see the racks for that now. If I ever have the kind of studio that allows for "icing" Ill get one of those im sure. I liked it. very easy to use, and it sure does sound, well, warm.
too bad ASR10s are still a grand cuz they sound nice too.
but nothin beats an emax for $300 or so...8 outs..thats a hell of a feature...considered an OPTION on pretty much any other piece, no?
Message 36/59 16-Dec-00 @ 12:07 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
y'alls making me want to buy an old emax though
peace
Message 37/59 16-Dec-00 @ 08:02 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
an emax might be one of em.
Message 38/59 18-Dec-00 @ 03:15 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
it has 8 seperate outs that can act as drum outs (they are monophonic, but are two voices per key!)
you can have an 8in rack and route it into a mix in vst etc for mixdown and the stereo out on it they utilises pan fx etc for the pads, strings, organs, etcetc, the library is huge and the sounds are VERY good and unique. it does do analog sweep filter synth sounds, square & saw waves etc, pizz strings to die for NOTHING comes close to emax strings i dont thing for the same midrange sound that real strings have both as ensembles and as solo instruments.. the filters, samples themselves, and the filters all combine to make the most amazing upfront 'woody' sounding strings of all types, brass again has a metallic qauality the is so upfront and with the horn hits and theings and the roting optionsd for control you ca make realistic brass on it... pads are great, 200 bucks! -
so when you want to use it for stereo sounds, just plug it in stereo to the pc rack, compose & record the audio... those tama snares were done on an emax (front page news column) check out the sound in sc-drums, lm4 or lm9 etc... its a sound
Message 39/59 18-Dec-00 @ 05:01 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
all this talk makes me drool. i'd sell my airbase & have cash left over! hmm.... all i'd have to do is find one it really good shape, sample about 1200 sounds from airbase & find someone to buy it. well maybe not. damn you! you have made me want! not like i really need. you see? grrr. smack self in head with plastic bottle & fume. hi.
Message 40/59 18-Dec-00 @ 05:06 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 42/59 19-Dec-00 @ 03:42 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 44/59 19-Dec-00 @ 05:59 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
300 OBO.
email me at: john@caiweb.com if interested.
Message 45/59 20-Dec-00 @ 01:44 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
i can't fit another keyboard
the rack is two spaces right?
Message 47/59 20-Dec-00 @ 02:26 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
which is kind of why i'm selling it. would love to have a rack. i have someone interested though. hopefully pans out...
Message 48/59 15-Jan-01 @ 10:00 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 49/59 15-Jan-01 @ 10:14 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 50/59 16-Jan-01 @ 04:06 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
sampler. i owned one for about a
week, the rack. got it for 350, then
sold it for 400.
peaceout,
peter
Message 51/59 16-Jan-01 @ 04:38 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 52/59 16-Jan-01 @ 11:46 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 53/59 16-Jan-01 @ 06:20 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
sun? its been raining for over a week. just cleared up today
must be a lack of drugs rotting my brain
Message 54/59 16-Jan-01 @ 09:50 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
Message 55/59 17-Jan-01 @ 06:17 AM - RE: punchy kick drums
see...here, when it rains, Im glad because that means it is snowing in the mountains usually. there..its just wet.
shit. no wonder I cant write dark music. its just to nice here. need a gloomy place. lookout seattle
wow..never thought of that...has anyone ever seen/read any sort of study as to WHY certain types of music comes from certain areas? even modern stuff? how come theres no dope jungle in..say..portland? or...how come british hip hop sucks? how did Florida become the center of the death metal scene in the 80s and 90s? The West coast and funky breaks?
wow!!! new thread time. see ya at the main page
Message 56/59 17-Jan-01 @ 08:03 PM - RE: punchy kick drums
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