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Original Message 1/34 04-Apr-00 @ 03:36 PM - Nasty A5000 bug

swampman

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Just reporting on a nasty bug that happened to me tonight. I was copying the real drum CD that comes with the sampler to a 8 gb EIDE harddrive. After a while the sampler puked out "disk is full or to many itmes" or something like that. To many items? What? I mean an ordinary file system doesnt run out of items, it runs out of diskspace! But here is the bad thing: The partition i copied to is empty and renamed! This isnt the only bug ive found out. Sometimes during copy from CD to HD it just hangs.

I just HATE the Yamaha filesystem!!!
Why the F**K cant they use a filesystem like DOS where the limit isnt 1 gb and where home PC users can copy files A5000 <-> PC without to much fuzz???

I just HATE the file system!

Nice getting that out of my chest...

/SwampMan

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Message 2/34 05-Apr-00 @ 03:49 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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oh noooo... not the dreaded Yamaha disk controller problems again... i think you might be better off getting 2 old akai's or rolands or a new emu

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Message 3/34 05-Apr-00 @ 04:21 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

SwampMan

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This is an old known bug? Damn. Have to get rid of it then.

Considering a E6400 or S5000. I'm a bit concerned though. I've heard that th FX ar totaly crap on the EMUs and that S5000 are bad seed. Your opinion Kilo?

Now I have no qlue!
Hmmm... Have to sleep on this!

ZZZZzzzzzzzz.....

/Swamp

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Message 4/34 05-Apr-00 @ 10:28 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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a3k here, hell of problematic file system with scsi as a sort of afterthought, whose correction i thought was the a5k's raison d'etre. Seems like they painted 5's on their old shitty flawed architecture, and thought they'd have a winner. I might suggest an a3k for way less, nearly same functionality, and using the change somewhere else in your set up. Yam looks like they are trying hard, but all of their new stuff seems to have a near FATAL flaw based mainly on cutting corners or general cheepieness.

If you can, try to take your unit back to where youy bought it and demand your money back. I have done this with several large purchases lately, and I know it sends a message not to manufacturer, but to retailer, where it is more effective. As retailers hate to see kinda high priced units coming back, and therefore will more actively push alternate brands, which DOES come across to manufacturers.

But then every manufacturer's entry into this arena seems to have its own achilles something or other. Be it effects, limited mod matrix, lack of additional outputs, or the price of upgradeability, fucking file system, poor scsi implemantation ect...

uts been said that doesn't matter what you get, your gonna have some major grips, and somethings which you'll love. But I dont take it in bum if i think manufacturer is giving it to me.

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Message 5/34 06-Apr-00 @ 01:18 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

SwampMan

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Just got an response from Yamaha. They are going to look in to the bug.
Lets see what happens.

/Swamp

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Message 6/34 06-Apr-00 @ 05:09 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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Early days yet, look at the mess Akai got in with the S5000 and S6000 it took over 12 months to get that fixed.

The effects configuration possibilities are much better on the A5000 than the A3000 or Yamaha's competitors. The problem with the A3000 effects is that you can only route a sample to one effect block and only if you send the dry sound to any output other than main.
On the plus side you can route the effects output to any physical output.

Does anyone know if they have improved the output expansion board. The A3000 extra outputs are very quiet and noisy even when you've optimised the mixer gain structure.

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Message 7/34 07-Apr-00 @ 03:34 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

swampman

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After calming down I have to say that I still love my A5000.

Its an awesome machine.

/SwampMan

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Message 8/34 12-Apr-00 @ 05:14 AM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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I can't believe they haven't fixed that bug after what 2 nearly 3 years?

That was one of the main gripes with os1 and I was shocked when it didn't fix it with os2.

Some guy in some office sat there and made a decision "we won't upgrade the disk os to a more compatible and suitable one, because this would enhance it's capeabilities, also we will keep the importing of wav's to one at a time.. We don't want users spending time writing tunes now do we."

prick.

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Message 9/34 13-Apr-00 @ 11:06 AM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

swampman

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This is the response from Yamaha:

"Too many items" apears when the total number of samples/sample bunks
which can be saved to disk has been exceeded.

In case you save only "sample"s, here are limitations (in one partition).

All stereo approx. 1670 items
All mono approx. 2500 items
(If stereo and mono are mixed, limitation may be around the middle.)

But as a matter of fact, the limitation is variable depends on conditions,
for example, the number of programs, the number of sample bunks, or if the sample is applied loop divide or not, etc. In such case, limitation will vary. You can save more items
than that of above mentined condition. Above qty is considered as the worst
case.

/SwampMan

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Message 10/34 13-Apr-00 @ 06:05 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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hmm.. methinks i can smell something ?... moooooo... i dunno, all i do know is this is the main problem reported with yammy samplers... disk save read write problems.. and yes i've heard the same stories of lost hours of sampling time... my mate went thru 3 floppy drives to arrive at a 4th which worked, i dunno... emu?... in the end i guess the old way still works best.. seperate outs, a mixer and some outboard.. it's what all your hero's use trust me... the sadness of it all is, that when it works, the a-series CAN produce a whole track, i've heard it with my own ears... i'd get back to yamaha, and start doing some table-banging, cos this sounds like moo-poo to me - like sure ok, you exceeded the object limit fine... so wheres all the other fucking samples gone then !!!!! - ah.. it wasnt like this when the Japs ran the company.. now it's a USA corp money run thing.. with according results... moooooo!! - man, if the jap's take on board US business tactic's it'll be the biggest fucking mistake they ever made in their nations history

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Message 11/34 14-Apr-00 @ 06:15 AM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

R-Tek

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.. now it's a USA corp money run thing.. with according results... moooooo!! - man, if the jap's take on board US business tactic's it'll be the biggest fucking mistake they ever made in their nations history

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Well, akaipro have been taken over by the Americans :-( Surely they *cant* get any worse. Maybe the German should bring out a sampler or something then

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Message 12/34 14-Apr-00 @ 05:40 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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ohhh noooo! You guys are really scaring me! I have my heart set on the A5k and already this???? Grrr

Pyce In,

V

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Message 13/34 16-Apr-00 @ 12:30 AM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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Back in US history, unions formed to represent the rights of workers who's rights didn't even exist, in the face of crushingly huge corporations. Don't we think its time to form consumer unions, to represent (gets a bit weak here) the rights of consumers, in the face of those same corporate giants. I'm sure if 80% of yammies new a5k's were returned, they'd pull the thumb out of their ass and say, "duh, do you think you should fix that problem now?"--- which my translate into an a3k fix!!!!!

Cause I'd really like to slam emagic with the same union power. Those bastards really did some unethical things with their release of 4.0.

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Message 14/34 16-Apr-00 @ 03:33 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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So, here I'M thinking A4000/A5000. I want to order this kit, but are the A3k disk problems/file system STILL messed up guys?

PLease let me know...cus the prices are suspiciously cheap when comparing a comparable Akai (S5k)...and I'm starting to smell Yamaha compramise (in the Corprate Designs Board Room).

R,

V

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Message 15/34 16-Apr-00 @ 06:06 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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pluses and minuses. I don't think there is a champ out there. Suppose you've gotta figure out what short comings your ready to deal with on a brand new piece of gear costing you two arms and a leg.

bastards.

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Message 16/34 18-Apr-00 @ 03:04 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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very well said then jj

R,

V

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Message 17/34 18-Apr-00 @ 03:04 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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very well said then jj

R,

V

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Message 18/34 26-Apr-00 @ 08:18 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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Hi all

I had an A5000, which kept freezing up when loading samples. The load time times from SCSI and floppy were so SLOWWWWWW that I gave it back.

I was surprised to read in SOS / and Furturemusic Magazines that none mentioned the VERYYYYYYYY SLOW speed of the A5000 SCSI. This makes it useless for pro studio use.

Have anyone experienced the slow SCSI load times ?

Regards
Bee

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Message 19/34 26-Apr-00 @ 09:47 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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Wow, that's so disappointing about the SCSI load times. You'd think they'd fix that by now. Wasn't it the EX5/7, SU700, and A3000 that had the SAME problem?!

regards,
jondl

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Message 20/34 26-Apr-00 @ 10:37 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

bioroid

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Use and internal IDE HD for the A5000.
Its way faster.

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Message 21/34 29-Apr-00 @ 08:38 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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So I just picked up an A4K, and have just run into the same problem when copying stuff from CD to my internal 5.8 GB hard drive. I got a "too full" error and then womp, the partition was suddenly empty and renamed. So what I'm wondering is, is there a recommended partition size to use that will make this less likely to happen? Right now I have six 1 GB partitions, but obviously that isn't the best idea. How small do they need to be?

(oh, and despite this problem, the a4k is a kickass sampler)

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Message 22/34 01-May-00 @ 10:24 AM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

SwampMan

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I went with a 100 MB zip drive. Its a easy way to get backup too.

There arent any recommended sizes though. It all depends on the sizes of your samples. Look at my earlier post in this thread (13-Apr-00)

/SwampMan

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Message 23/34 02-May-00 @ 07:01 AM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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this is sort of a sideline on what k said, I just been on the course from work called 'cashmax' apparently most american companies work by it's rules which is why they've been getting richer and richer just lately.. the jist is you hold onto cash for as long as possible so you get the benefit (like banks)... to collect money USA have a 25-30 day pay policy while Japan mostly have 90-120 day.. so you can see who has cash the longest.

my point is Japan companies will HAVE to work more like USA companies if they want to stay in business.

so with more companies ending up as corporate cash laundering services maybe to customer care stuff is going out of fashion also...

unfortunately like anything the only way they listen is when people stop buying stuff, and in reality this aint going to happen (lookat the akai s6000).

so we'll just have to grin and bear it.

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Message 24/34 04-May-00 @ 04:27 AM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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Jasper, I'm very interested, just can't understand a word you said about cash max, would you like to try to expain again? I'm really curious.

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Message 25/34 14-May-00 @ 09:28 AM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

rs09

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Swampman is an arsebandit..

The yamaha Aseries samplers are the best in the world( they kill all EMU and especially Akai samplers)

Dont let this fool put you off!

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Message 26/34 14-May-00 @ 12:26 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

r-tek

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ummmm.......the emus, kurzes and maybe even the akais can do some things that the Yams simply cant do and vice-versa. Saying that the Yams r the best in the world is ridiculous. 2 make a statement like that, you`d need 2 have spent a good few years with a Kurzweil and at least one year with an emu b4 you`d b qualified 2 speak with such "authority".

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Message 27/34 14-May-00 @ 02:50 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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Here's a question for all you A4000/A5000 (and maybe A3000) users. How does one find out how many samples are being stored in a partition? Aside from manuall counting them, that is. Is there a 'summary' screen one can get to somewhere?

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Message 28/34 15-May-00 @ 10:39 AM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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well, i chatted with my A3000 owning mate - he added a ZIP drive, and has had NO problems since then, so maybe the yammies like 1gb drives max cos of their fat system or something?.. maybe that is the answer, it doesnt like big drives .. ??

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Message 29/34 16-May-00 @ 06:46 AM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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Constructive mail rs09!

I know I'm a fool... but how did you see through me?

/SwampMan

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Message 30/34 16-May-00 @ 09:12 AM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

Jasper

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there's plusses and minus's in all samplers.. I have a few problems with some areas of the a3000 which I'm really pissed off with.. like the modulation... why the feck doesn't the lfo freeform when not re-triggering it???? yamaha say it's a feature that the sample lfo triggers from a rnd point in the waveform every time the sample is triggered (a fucking feature!!!). even though there is allready a rnd waveform to do this... HA!!! it's a fucking BUG is what it is.

right it get's real boring here, blame jj.

cashmax -
if a company buys and sells goods (which most companies do) it makes sense that to maximise there money in the bank they should

1) collect money sooner than their competitorts and

2) pay later than their competitors

this means that they are maximising the amount of cash in the bank... this is the money that investors see and hence goes to show how mutch the company is worth..

the best example is DELL computers... they force everyone to buy with credit cards and bulk buying has something like 7 days to pay... however they will not pay anyone else for 90 days.. they have a ridiculous worth compared to comparable companies.

realisticly these companies are not really worth the amount they look like they are... but as far as investors are concerned it doesn't matter.. they still LOOK better and are abviously better at business than their competitors (because they use cashmax).

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Message 31/34 24-Jun-00 @ 03:04 AM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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So I know this tread is a little bit old. I wanted to see how you (swampman) are getting along with the A5000. I thinking about picking a A4000 up as my first sampler and would like to know if there is any extra _____ you would suggest to purchase along with it. I played with it today at a local music store. It looks straight forward enough to become pretty intuitive in sort time. Review? Advice? Any thing would be greatly appreciated.

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Message 32/34 14-Jul-00 @ 12:28 PM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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get it component.. it's a kick ass machine.. it will do just about everyting for you.. i like the fact that every sample has its own 1 band parametric eq... that's powerful stuff..
i'm trying to make it my only gear in my setup now including my Viurs B and O1v mixer.. getting rid of my triton and 505.

cheers.

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Message 33/34 18-Jul-00 @ 04:14 AM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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are you people actually making music with your gear or are you working as unpaid bugfinders?

OK, my A3000 OS2 has some bugs, but i can live with them, work around them and make music with it...i guess all the new devices have some bugs in them, being akai, emu or yamaha..

i agree that if you have to transfer loads of big and long samples the yammies aren't for you because of the relatively slow SCSI-transfer...

Olaf

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Message 34/34 19-Jul-00 @ 05:55 AM - RE: Nasty A5000 bug

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I don't see the scsi speed as any big deal though.. ok maybe live but it just forces you to be more creative with filling in some gaps with synths while a track loads.. thing is you can load up multiple tracks easily enough and flick between them via a program change message.

Had this thing nearly 2 years now and I discovered a new technique with it last night.. great.

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