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Original Message 1/34 09-May-00 @ 04:39 PM - Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

arie-z

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Don�t buy the CS6x. It sucks big time. Don�t let all the positive reviews fool you. I�m beginning to feel sorry I ever bought the thing. The appegiator doesn�t sync to midi clock. So all you dance producers have a major problem, unless you want to write out all your arpeggio�s.
I also have a PLG-AN installed. You wouldn�t believe how long it took to figuur out how the damn thing worked and most of the stuff aren�t mentioned in the manual. I have been trying for weeks to get support from Yamaha, but they always keep beating around the bush. I finally got some positive help. Not from Yamaha, but from G.Gregson (author of the PLG-AN editor).
Now that I know how it works, I discovered that it�s so difficult and time consuming, that I probably won�t use the thing. So that�s the story. I would certainly think twice before buying it.

Andrew

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Message 2/34 10-May-00 @ 03:11 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

staples

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I agree with you on the arp sync debate as I've been quite involved in it lately but the rest of the CS6 doesn't suck in my opinion and in fact to the contrary. I find it to be a very expressive synth with a lot of potential. The manual is less than useful as they usually are but once spending some time with it I'm beginning to see the light. I have not used it in performance mode but in voice mode only. I really like all the patches and think that's certainly enough variety for the beginner as well as the pro.

your mileage may vary as this just my opinion.

Kevan

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Message 3/34 10-May-00 @ 05:14 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

arie-z

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I agree with you, if use only the voice mode. And the synth has some damn good sounds. That's why I bought it in the first place. But try using the performance mode, that's when the problems start. Specially when you have the PLG-AN board installed. To really make good use of the board, you have to use a computer-based editor, to really get to all the necessary parameters. You can't find them all in the CS6x, so if you make a patch you have to send it to CS6x each time you work on a song, because strangely enough you can't save the sound you made in the CS6x. And that's not all. If you want to use on-board FX with the sound you made (in preformance mode) you have to save those settings as a seperate file in the CS6x. Sounds complicated?? Well believe me it is. It's so much of a hassle, that when you finally got everything setup, the days almost over.That's not so much of a problem if you have to do this once, but you have to do this every freakin' time you work on your song. I can't believe that they sell a plugin board that works like this.
And all the Mag's rave about how good it sounds. Sure it sounds good, when you hear it played from the editor, but you'll soon be de-morilised when you want to use it.

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Message 4/34 11-May-00 @ 11:36 AM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

staples

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You're right about performance mode..it's a bear to figure out. I've only been using it in voice mode so far. I haven't got an expander card but can't you save to the smart media card what edits you make? I've been using the Voice editor in conjunction with my sequencer and it's pretty handy for quickly figuring out where stuff is and making the necessary changes. Too bad it doesn't work for editing performances. It's amazing how difficult programming can be on most synths and this is no exception. The only operating system that makes complete sense to me and so damn easy and flexible is Kurzweil. Surprise surprise it's written by you yankees. The Japanese have a hard time writing software and manuals but that's another story.

all the best

Kevan

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Message 5/34 11-May-00 @ 05:29 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

arie-z

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You can use the smart-card to save everything else, but not the sounds you make with the PLG-AN editor, which really sucks :-(( Yeah, you can save it on the computer, but that's not the same. If you have to make a lot of edits, you have to keep going back and forth from the sequencer to the editor, which is sicking.

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Message 6/34 11-May-00 @ 07:17 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

Swift

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You can save PLG150-AN patches to any of the 64 user memory locations.Also full 128 patch banks can be saved to card too.
Before dissing a synth learn a bit more about how to use it!
The CS6x is easy to use,It appears to be complicated at first but after a few hours you will see it is all very simple.

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Message 7/34 12-May-00 @ 05:58 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

arie-z

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Swift, if you had done your homework, you would know that you can't and I repeat can not save sounds you make with the PLG-AN editor (in the computer)in the CS6x. You can only save the edited PLG patches that are on the board. And before you start calling me a liar, fuckin' try it out yourself!!!

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Message 8/34 12-May-00 @ 06:10 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

Swift

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Wrong!
There are 64 memory locations onboard where you can permanently store 64 patches.
On the PLG board there are 128 Preset 1,128 Preset 2,128 User and also 64 saved patches.You can load in a bank of up to 128 patches into the USER bank from the PC Editor.These will remain here until you switch off the CS6x then they will be lost.
The patches loaded into the USER bank can be saved onto the memory card or you can save ANY onboard patch(including ones made and sent from the Editor) into one of the 64 saved locations.These 64 patches are not lost when you switch off the machine.
I suggest YOU do your fucking homework!
Also which editor are you using?

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Message 9/34 13-May-00 @ 06:51 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

arie-z

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Swift, if you had read my first mail you would have seen that I use G. Gregson�s PLG-AN editor. And I FUCKIN did do my homework, because I even contacted G. Gregson himself about this issue. The fact is, is that you are being fooled when you store your newly made sound to the 64 users bank. It only stores the name, but the sound is gone the next time you turn the synth on. You do get a sound, but it's not the one you made. Try it out yourself and let�s see who�s right.

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Message 10/34 13-May-00 @ 07:02 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

Swift

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I have several sounds permanently stored in the 64 locations.They do not dissappear or change when I switch off the CS6x and then switch back on again.
You are complaining about the editor which I think is unfair as you are using a different one to the editor that comes with the CD packaged with the plugin board.If Yamaha had meant for you to use the one you are doing it would have been on the CD.The one you are meant to use that is on the CD will let you do what you want so I suggest you try it.
Also you tell people not to buy the CS6x because you cannot figure out how to use the plugin board and think they are crap.The plugins are OPTIONAL EXTRAS for the CS6x and you do not need to buy them, so it is unfair to criticise the CS6x.
You came here for help and advice but started to get nasty when I offered it to you.Do not be surprised if people are unwilling to help you in future because of your shitty attitude.As for any advice from me in future,well you can go fuck yourself!

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Message 11/34 14-May-00 @ 07:19 AM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

arie-z

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Swift, go fuck yourself. ASSWHIPE!!

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Message 12/34 14-May-00 @ 07:49 AM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

James

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C'om on guys stop this bloody flame-war!! I have been following this discussion for a while and it could be that both of you are right. I'm not sure. I too have been using G.Gregson's editor for the Macintosh and I'm also not able to save patches I made with it.At least not in the 64 users bank.
Swift, could you tell me which editor you use? The sad part is, is that there is no other editor avalible for the Mac, so it could be possible that the PC version works much better, I'm not sure.
If that is the case, I hope Yamaha will come with a better working version for the Mac.

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Message 13/34 14-May-00 @ 12:29 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

Swift

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I do not use the AN1xedit thing or whatever its called(the blue one) which is primarily for the AN1x with a little PLG support modification.I use the editor that came with the plugin board itself(AN Expert).It is a plugin editor similar to the CS6x one that works within the XG Works Lite program.I have made patches using this editor.The patches made are then held in the USER memory bank(not the 64 location saved bank).If you switch off the CS6x the patches will be lost so you need to either back them up onto the memory card or save each patch into one of the 64 saved locations.

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Message 14/34 14-May-00 @ 01:21 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

Arie

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Swift, you�re full of shit. Are you sure you bought a CS6x and not a Casio? I guess you can�t tell the difference. Me and a friend of mine have been trying desperately to contact Yamaha about this issue and my friend finally got word. Yamaha states that the PLG-AN board is volatile for users voices, which means that you cannot save the patches you made with the editor in the board (with any editor for that matter) and it can only save CS6x parameters (effect settings, etc�) on the board.
You are correct that you can save your sounds on a smartcard, or back it up on a computer, but that is not the point. So as it turns out Swift, you�re a FUCKIN� lair.

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Message 15/34 14-May-00 @ 02:34 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

James

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Well, I guess I got my answer.

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Message 16/34 14-May-00 @ 02:41 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

Swift

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Hey Arie you are wrong.I suggest you do the following-
Use the AN Expert editor that came supplied with the plugin board for a start.
Use this to make a patch.When you press a key on the CS6x you will hear your new sound.This is simply the editor controlling the plugin board.What you need to do now is select SEND to transfer ALL the patch data into your CS6x/plugin board.The patch will now be held in a USER location and if you switch off th4 CS6x you will lose it.You need to either back up the patch you have made onto the memory card or SAVE it into one of the 64 locations.I think you must be getting confused when you hear the patch you have made using the editor by pressing a key on the CS6x and then trying to save it,then when you play it back after switching off it doesnt` sound the same.This is because you have not sent all the patch data from the editor into the synth.
Do like I say and you will see I am right and I expect and apology.

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Message 17/34 14-May-00 @ 02:47 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

Swift

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Nearly forgot.You keep mentioning USER voices.I know these are lost if you switch off the CS6x.You need to store the patch into on of the 64 locations(Hold dwon PLG 1 or 2 button and then press DEC/NO until the pages scroll as far left as they will go and you can see these).

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Message 18/34 14-May-00 @ 05:50 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

Arie

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No, I won�t apologize, because what you are saying is a crock of bullshit. God, you must think I�m mental or what? Of course I know about all the different banks in the plug-in board:

Bank = PLG1 INT (this is the one you are referring to)
Bank = 036/000
Bank = 036/001
Bank = 036/002 (this is the bank that the editor sends the patches to, which are lost when you turn the synth off)

But, what doesn�t seem to get through to that thick skull of yours, is that when you try to save the sound you have in Bank = 036/002 to Bank = PLG1 INT, the only thing that is saved is the name of the patch you made and the effect setting of the CS6x itself.
When you turn the synth off and then back on, you will see that the name of your patch is still there, but when you try and play that patch you will notice that it�s not the same sound.
I�m getting sick and tired with this debate. Do what I have explained and you will see that I�m right.

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Message 19/34 14-May-00 @ 07:49 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

Buy a real board

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You should shut your dirty little holes. I don't want to smell the stench permeating from your decaying ego's. Wipe, get off the pot, and buy a
real board. Life is to short to fuck around with a board that doesn't work.

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Message 20/34 15-May-00 @ 03:42 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

referee

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DING!!!

Round 2

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Message 21/34 16-May-00 @ 08:11 AM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

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i cant be bothered to read the flaming, but the gregsons editors usually allow you to save your edits as midifiles anywhere on your system

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Message 22/34 16-May-00 @ 08:12 AM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

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or as sysex... well... mine does

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Message 23/34 16-May-00 @ 09:18 AM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

Jasper

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we have a new contender!!

in theeeeeee bluuuuueee corner... kilo and his sysex specialll.

ahem... sorry.

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Message 24/34 16-May-00 @ 04:24 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

Arie

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Swift where are you now?? You don't seem so swift anymore ;-) Or could it be that I was right and you chickened out?

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Message 25/34 16-May-00 @ 04:27 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

Arie

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K, you are right, but I don't always want to turn on the damn computer when I'm tweakin' them knobs. You know?

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Message 26/34 16-May-00 @ 05:54 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

Swift

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NO still here as always just bored of a fuckwit like you.You came here for help and advice and started to turn nasty.I have been visiting this site for a long time making several posts and helped people out with problems.You on the other hand have posted here ONCE(I might be wrong but can`t be arsed to check),helped nobody and just showed what a loser you really are.I will not be replying to this thread any more because you bore me!

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Message 27/34 17-May-00 @ 04:55 AM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

Arie

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What's the problem Swift? Can't admit that I'm right? I didn't come here for your fuckin'help, because you don't know jack-shit. I came here to speak my opinion, in the hope that Yamaha does something to fix these problems.
And if you can't take it, well then FUCK-OFF!!!

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Message 28/34 17-May-00 @ 07:31 AM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

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Hey Arie I see u got your ass flamed on Sonic State too for talkin crap.
LAMER!

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Message 29/34 17-May-00 @ 08:35 AM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

Arie

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I don't mind. I can take it, but not like swift-ass here. Just speaking my mind ;-)

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Message 30/34 17-May-00 @ 08:49 AM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

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Do you think that Swift might actually be away using his synth to MAKE MUSIC?
I mean that`s what its for,all you do is come here and complain about it.
Get a life(and a new synth if u can`t use the one you have properly!).

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Message 31/34 17-May-00 @ 02:24 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

Chris T

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Th CS6x is a great synth!
I cannot understand why you tell people not to buy it when it is the optional plugin boards you are having problems with.The CS6x on its own is awesome but with some of the plugins fitted its even better.Yamaha should be praised for giving us these options.
Also you can edit and save the PLG patches into the 64 locations as I have done this myself.
If you make new patches on the editor you can store these as full banks(1-128) onto the memory card quite easily.They load back into the user locations within seconds so what is the problem?
Why are you not using the editor supplied with the plugin board?
As for the arpeggiator problem,Yamaha are currently working on a fix which will be released within the next week.
I really do think you are being very unfair to what is a great piece of equipment,maybe you have just not got the hang of it yet.

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Message 32/34 19-May-00 @ 03:08 PM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

Chris T

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I have a CS6x with the PLG150-AN board fitted and this is what I have found so far(only had it 1 month)-
All the voices that come with the PLG150-AN as standard can be edited and stored permanently in the 64 memory locations.So far I have done this and they still seem to be the same after the CS6x has been switched off and back on again.
If you use other 3rd party patches( for example AN1x patches downloaded from various websites) they can also be used but must be saved onto the memory card as a named bank to be loaded into the 128 USER locations when you switch on the CS6x.

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Message 33/34 12-Jun-00 @ 02:09 AM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

:-)

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HA HA HA HA
YOU GUYS MADE MY DAY!
b.t.w
the cs6x is an amazing synth
BUY IT NOW!

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Message 34/34 04-Jul-00 @ 07:08 AM - RE: Don�t buy the CS6x!!!

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YO ARIE SHUT UP.
DO THE WORLD A FAVOUR AND GO EXTRATERESSTIAL.
LULLO.......
PS.LIL' BIT LATE BUT HEY!!!!!CANT HAVE IT ALL

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