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Subject: Best scsi set-up with A3K?
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Original Message 1/8 19-Sep-00 @ 02:47 PM - Best scsi set-up with A3K?
Yep,its on its way with 32Mb.
I need to know whats the best set-up 4 using scsi.
I plan on Zip250 with an Adaptec adaptor card 4 my pc.Which card?Is the 250 cool?What else will i need?
I do have an scsi card already in the pc which is just 4 my cd recorder,i think its address is 7.Will this present any hassles?
Regarding using A3K cd,s, can i just transfer these to my hard drive like i do with Wavs,then use TWE or whatever to send them over to the A3K?
Thanx Guru.
I need to know whats the best set-up 4 using scsi.
I plan on Zip250 with an Adaptec adaptor card 4 my pc.Which card?Is the 250 cool?What else will i need?
I do have an scsi card already in the pc which is just 4 my cd recorder,i think its address is 7.Will this present any hassles?
Regarding using A3K cd,s, can i just transfer these to my hard drive like i do with Wavs,then use TWE or whatever to send them over to the A3K?
Thanx Guru.
Message 2/8 19-Sep-00 @ 04:16 PM - RE: Best scsi set-up with A3K?
i think you should test your existing SCSI card before buying an Adaptec.
I've seen people working with their cheap Tekrams without any problems.
I've seen people working with their cheap Tekrams without any problems.
Message 3/8 19-Sep-00 @ 04:18 PM - RE: Best scsi set-up with A3K?
It doesn,t have external connectors.It,s just to hook up the cd recorder.
Guru.
Guru.
Message 4/8 20-Sep-00 @ 11:41 AM - RE: Best scsi set-up with A3K?
I have an Adaptec 2940 Ultra Wide but that's what the machine came with - it would be an overkill just for the A3K as the A3K transfer rates are slow.
Basically you just daisy chain the PC and the A3K and the Zip. I have the Zip as the termination device.
Other SCSI cards shouldn't matter. If any ID numbers conflict then you can change them anyway.
Re: A3K CD's - there aren't many anyway so I wouldn't worry too much about that. To use them, you need an external SCSI CD drive, I don't think your internal one will read them but I could be wrong. Mine doesn't.
TWE et al won't transfer A3K native samples but only audio waveforms. You have to use the floppy drive for this. There are loads of A3K native samples at www.a3kcentral.com
The missing link between Windows and A3K formats is an app called A3K Disky which is apparantly very buggy and shit!
Basically you just daisy chain the PC and the A3K and the Zip. I have the Zip as the termination device.
Other SCSI cards shouldn't matter. If any ID numbers conflict then you can change them anyway.
Re: A3K CD's - there aren't many anyway so I wouldn't worry too much about that. To use them, you need an external SCSI CD drive, I don't think your internal one will read them but I could be wrong. Mine doesn't.
TWE et al won't transfer A3K native samples but only audio waveforms. You have to use the floppy drive for this. There are loads of A3K native samples at www.a3kcentral.com
The missing link between Windows and A3K formats is an app called A3K Disky which is apparantly very buggy and shit!
Message 5/8 20-Sep-00 @ 06:25 PM - RE: Best scsi set-up with A3K?
This sounds poor frankly.
Can i find Akai/Roland on floppy?
U sure bout TWE? I thought that was why the Zip was cool?
Is it only Soundforge then that can transfer A3K,or does it transfer Wav but via scsi?
I,m waiting 4 mine to arrive,so i can,t get a good understanding of whats cool and whats the expensive options 4 all this sample transfer.
I plan to edit on the pc ,transfer via the Zip.Or,edit on the pc,save to floppy.I want to load up samples fast.
Incidentally,i heard that there are new cd;s 4 the A4K and A5K which i can also use;thats interesting maybe.
Cheers Guru.
Can i find Akai/Roland on floppy?
U sure bout TWE? I thought that was why the Zip was cool?
Is it only Soundforge then that can transfer A3K,or does it transfer Wav but via scsi?
I,m waiting 4 mine to arrive,so i can,t get a good understanding of whats cool and whats the expensive options 4 all this sample transfer.
I plan to edit on the pc ,transfer via the Zip.Or,edit on the pc,save to floppy.I want to load up samples fast.
Incidentally,i heard that there are new cd;s 4 the A4K and A5K which i can also use;thats interesting maybe.
Cheers Guru.
Message 6/8 21-Sep-00 @ 09:10 AM - RE: Best scsi set-up with A3K?
the only way to transfer Axk native format from computer to sampler is the floppy drive. you can't use your computer as a backup unit and transfer them to Axk with a zip drive.
theres a software called Disky from teklab.com but that works only for SCSI drives inside the sampler, or SCSI zips. Not to the memory or IDE drives. I've an IDE drive so i cant try that.
soundforge and twe transfers only the wave data i thing (+loop points). they cant transfer A3k native format.
thats what i know, correct me if something is wrong.
by the way, i dont even have SCSI card for my pc. I generally use self sampled sounds and transfer spesific ones (ex: a wind instrument downloaded from samplelibrary.net) with floppy if i need any.
i'll start to get a bit personal and off topic.
after i realized that the only way to transfer samples is the floppy and the Dsiky software i strated to sample everything myself. I cant find anywhere to dl Disky. Plus Disky costs me too much because Disky = ~100$(?) + a SCSI card (~100$) + an external 50pin to 50pin SCSI cable= ~30$..
There are many freeware s/w synths and you can always be a bit lame about sampling trial software.
never feel limited by the technical limitations.
my A4k is great.
theres a software called Disky from teklab.com but that works only for SCSI drives inside the sampler, or SCSI zips. Not to the memory or IDE drives. I've an IDE drive so i cant try that.
soundforge and twe transfers only the wave data i thing (+loop points). they cant transfer A3k native format.
thats what i know, correct me if something is wrong.
by the way, i dont even have SCSI card for my pc. I generally use self sampled sounds and transfer spesific ones (ex: a wind instrument downloaded from samplelibrary.net) with floppy if i need any.
i'll start to get a bit personal and off topic.
after i realized that the only way to transfer samples is the floppy and the Dsiky software i strated to sample everything myself. I cant find anywhere to dl Disky. Plus Disky costs me too much because Disky = ~100$(?) + a SCSI card (~100$) + an external 50pin to 50pin SCSI cable= ~30$..
There are many freeware s/w synths and you can always be a bit lame about sampling trial software.
never feel limited by the technical limitations.
my A4k is great.
Message 7/8 21-Sep-00 @ 11:39 AM - RE: Best scsi set-up with A3K?
Well,ok.
I think then that maybe i,ll have to see what i can do with scsi cd as i really would like to have access to Akai and Roland and Emu.
Sample transfer,yeah,i don,t mind if it takes time,as long as i can actually use pro samples.The difference with a Roland XP10 and an XP30 is very big,the samples better;more choice.
I really do want the A3K to work like that with lots of loadable sounds.
Cheers Guru.
I think then that maybe i,ll have to see what i can do with scsi cd as i really would like to have access to Akai and Roland and Emu.
Sample transfer,yeah,i don,t mind if it takes time,as long as i can actually use pro samples.The difference with a Roland XP10 and an XP30 is very big,the samples better;more choice.
I really do want the A3K to work like that with lots of loadable sounds.
Cheers Guru.
Message 8/8 21-Sep-00 @ 04:56 PM - RE: Best scsi set-up with A3K?
well, i think you should get an Emu or Akai if you'll use sample CDs frequently. I've read many complaints about importing different formats to Axk.
I'm pasting some info about this, written by Phil Clendeninn from Yamaha Corporation of America. (this is a part of poweruse.pdf file which can be downloaded from http://www.yamahasynth.com/down/a4000/s_power.htm). dont forget that this is about A4000&5000. A3000 might be different.
Q. What can I expect when a format is
called “compatible”?
A. Usually, when a sampler claims compatibility with a
particular format you can expect the basic sample data
to either load or be imported into the sampler. This will
include the sample key mapping and the loop point. It is
100% infallible? Of course, not. Should you expect the
envelopes, filters, etc., to be the same? Of course, not.
Sample data that is native for a particular format
sampler is probably always going to be your best bet. Be
prepared to do at least some tweaking in any
“compatible” situation. Many end users mistakenly
believe that when you load or import “compatible” data
that it will make the sampler from one manufacturer, the
sampler from the other manufacturer. That is a lofty
idea but then why would the company put out the
product. Think about this: if you design a sound in the
A4000 or A5000 utilizing all the unique functions, how
well do you think a “compatible” competitor will deal
with the A-series’ radical effect processors? Your right,
they will not. They can’t. Each manufacturer has its
own operating system, filters, envelopes, LFOs, etc.,
etc. Do not over-estimate what “compatibility” means.
Think about it – how many customers thought that if
they could only get that DX7mkII disk in their sample
playback synth, they could get the sounds of the DX7
from their keyboard or vice versa. (NOT!) Never happen!
If you are dealing with audio break beats compatibility
will work for you, because most beats do not have
complex envelopes or filtering.
That said, you will be amazed at the ability of
the A4000 and A5000 has in importing and improving
the sound of other native formats: Akai, Emu, Roland,
Yamaha, AIFF and Wav.
Compatibility details (import):
· Akai S1000/S3000 via FD/HD/CDROM import
w/mapping
· Emu E111x via HD/CDROM import w/mapping
· Roland S760 via HD/CDROM import w/mapping
· AIFF via DOS FD/HD/CDROM import/export, CDROM
import only*
· WAV via DOS FD/HD/CDROM import/export, CDROM
import only**
· EX via FD/HD import w/mapping*
· SU700 via FD/HD import w/mapping**
· TX16W FD import sample
· A3000 files load directly
*Non-LPC only
**Single FD diskette (not from multiple floppy volumes)
Prepared by: Phil Clendeninn
Product Marketing Specialist
Digital Musical Instruments
Pro Audio and Combo Division
Yamaha Corporation of America
I'm pasting some info about this, written by Phil Clendeninn from Yamaha Corporation of America. (this is a part of poweruse.pdf file which can be downloaded from http://www.yamahasynth.com/down/a4000/s_power.htm). dont forget that this is about A4000&5000. A3000 might be different.
Q. What can I expect when a format is
called “compatible”?
A. Usually, when a sampler claims compatibility with a
particular format you can expect the basic sample data
to either load or be imported into the sampler. This will
include the sample key mapping and the loop point. It is
100% infallible? Of course, not. Should you expect the
envelopes, filters, etc., to be the same? Of course, not.
Sample data that is native for a particular format
sampler is probably always going to be your best bet. Be
prepared to do at least some tweaking in any
“compatible” situation. Many end users mistakenly
believe that when you load or import “compatible” data
that it will make the sampler from one manufacturer, the
sampler from the other manufacturer. That is a lofty
idea but then why would the company put out the
product. Think about this: if you design a sound in the
A4000 or A5000 utilizing all the unique functions, how
well do you think a “compatible” competitor will deal
with the A-series’ radical effect processors? Your right,
they will not. They can’t. Each manufacturer has its
own operating system, filters, envelopes, LFOs, etc.,
etc. Do not over-estimate what “compatibility” means.
Think about it – how many customers thought that if
they could only get that DX7mkII disk in their sample
playback synth, they could get the sounds of the DX7
from their keyboard or vice versa. (NOT!) Never happen!
If you are dealing with audio break beats compatibility
will work for you, because most beats do not have
complex envelopes or filtering.
That said, you will be amazed at the ability of
the A4000 and A5000 has in importing and improving
the sound of other native formats: Akai, Emu, Roland,
Yamaha, AIFF and Wav.
Compatibility details (import):
· Akai S1000/S3000 via FD/HD/CDROM import
w/mapping
· Emu E111x via HD/CDROM import w/mapping
· Roland S760 via HD/CDROM import w/mapping
· AIFF via DOS FD/HD/CDROM import/export, CDROM
import only*
· WAV via DOS FD/HD/CDROM import/export, CDROM
import only**
· EX via FD/HD import w/mapping*
· SU700 via FD/HD import w/mapping**
· TX16W FD import sample
· A3000 files load directly
*Non-LPC only
**Single FD diskette (not from multiple floppy volumes)
Prepared by: Phil Clendeninn
Product Marketing Specialist
Digital Musical Instruments
Pro Audio and Combo Division
Yamaha Corporation of America
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