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Original Message 1/20 30-Dec-00 @ 02:56 AM - mixolydian or what?

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If I'm playing in D and using the G major pentatonic scale to improvise over it am I actually playing in D mixolydian or is there another name for that relationship?

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Message 2/20 30-Dec-00 @ 05:59 PM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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Dmaj. being def#gabc#, and GPent. being gabde, I
don't see any contraction. you could be in D mix.
too, but G.pent fits into both fine.

peaceout,

peter

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Message 3/20 30-Dec-00 @ 07:45 PM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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Yeah but do you see what I'm getting at?If you play D major pentatonic all those notes are contained in the D major scale but using the limitation of the 5 notes gives a different flavour than using the whole major scale it's just that if instead of playing D lydian you play A major pentatonic it gives a different feel than using the actual lydian mode because you miss out the sharp 4th that is the only difference between the major scale and the lydian so are you actually theoretically playing the scale of D major or D lydian?It adds even more ambiguity to the sound same goes for the D mixolydian if you play G major pentatonic you miss out the flat 7th.If you try this with all the modes you can get some quite interesting results instead of D dorian try C major pentatonic for example.Scales are the biz for total absorption.

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Message 4/20 06-Jan-01 @ 02:39 PM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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Good God.
I feel stupid now.
That was all completely foreign to me.
And I thought I was a musician.
Thats some wacky shite you guys are talking.
Speaking in tongues?

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Message 5/20 07-Jan-01 @ 02:06 AM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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Espoo get "A kind of blue" by Miles Davis and give it a serious listen.Then see if you can get the book written by the guy at the above website it gives you a whole musical dimension to look into.

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Message 6/20 08-Jan-01 @ 12:56 AM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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Miles Davis, eh?
Yeah, I've got that song on a compilation.
Big jazz fan. Was into jazz WAY before the electronic phase.
I listen to everything, just never got around to the theory stuff, maybe soon.
I read a good book by somebody Jordan, I think, called "Music, the Brain, and Ecstasy" talking about the evolution of sound throughout the ages and how it affects the brain. Good stuff.

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Message 7/20 08-Jan-01 @ 01:35 AM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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"A kind of blue" is a totally modal album probably one of the greatest jazz albums ever imo do you like Thelonious Monk Espoo?Now that man was a total genius and is my greatest source of inspiration bar none especially when you hear him solo.Theory is a great timesaver any study you put in is rewarded sevenfold by increased musical awareness things that might never have ocurred to you become apparent because of the knowledge it gives you yet you can still experiment or do it by ear.I'm glad the musicians that went before bothered to write down their ideas for us to see and build on.

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Message 8/20 08-Jan-01 @ 06:27 PM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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ahhh espoo that is a very very good book, i checked it out from my school library, the most productive us of a school week ever. of course, now i owe my library a book, and i wish i had just taken the good one, and not this lame thing i lost. Ohhh nobody knows the trouble i've seen..
i recently got bitches brew, and the birth of the cool, and miles davis is cool, but he was too much of an egotist for me to really respect him...
at any rate, you should all read "music, the brain, and ecstacy" it has nothing to do with MDMA

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Message 9/20 08-Jan-01 @ 07:47 PM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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Yeah I think I'll check that book out soon I've got a list of about 20 books I want just have to work out what ones I want most compared to the dosh I have.

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Message 10/20 10-Jan-01 @ 04:51 PM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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I know what you mean, but on the same note, if you can used a mixed mode why not? Like, if a tune is in Dmaj it's perfectly ok to do a solo in Dmixolydian or Dmaj or Dpentatonic right? So why not have your tracks reflect the same mixed modality? Or you can do what I do, which is change the modality. Start in a totally pentatonic state, then bring in a bassline with scale degree five in it, or start off in a totally open state modally, then build a bit more tonality into the melodies, then after your main breakdown, slam into a major feel, or diminished or mixolydian or whatever. I find it pretty effective in live situations, esp w trance.

Peaceout,

Peter

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Message 11/20 12-Jan-01 @ 10:02 PM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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pict...a jazz thing.respect mate.heres a good book- mark levines jazz piano book..i dont no if you play or not but its excellent 4 voicings ect and there is john coltranes naima notated.artist 2 check out sun rae,fela kuti,leon thomas,lonnie listen....the roots man!nu skool jazzonova,cinermatic orcrestra.

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Message 12/20 13-Jan-01 @ 10:20 PM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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Ging I have the Levine book by the side of my chair a very nifty book it is too especially the voicing ideas.Have you checked out his Jazz theory book? I'm in negotiations for a Bechstein studio piano or a small grand,digital keyboards and synth keys don't cut it when it comes to developing your keyboard skills.If you're into playing I hear a very good book is "The contemporary keyboardist" by John Novello I'll be getting it soon.Coltrane is one of the main men,chord progressions moving in thirds etc. clever man have you tuned into his version of "my favourite things"?

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Message 13/20 15-Jan-01 @ 09:19 AM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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Uah. That book, would it be of any good to a complete newbie (in terms of musical theory)?

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Message 14/20 15-Jan-01 @ 02:06 PM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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as a complete newbie you might want to get a
book that focusses on "preliminary rudiments"
that'll teach you about notes and scales and stuff.

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Message 15/20 16-Jan-01 @ 12:06 AM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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Volley there are quite a few websites that can give you the basics of reading etc.The Jazz theory book does require some basic knowledge of theory the author presumes you can at least read music so for a complete newcomer to music theory I'd have to say it isn't really appropriate but having said that once you get the basics down this book will come in very handy.Reading is the main barrier to extracting the musical knowledge in these books they use notation to illustrate the sounds of certain notes used together when explaining harmony and to show rhythms etc.
You can learn to read music in minutes it's just a case of grasping the concept learning to read fluently is the real task but basic reading will enable you to use the info contained in these books if you take the time to do it you will thank yourself for it later.There is also software available like earope and earmaster that are good for theory and sight reading etc.

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Message 16/20 16-Jan-01 @ 07:57 AM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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Oh.. Uhm, ok, so I'm not a _complete_ newbie. =) Have been making music for a couple of years, so I know about notes and scales and stuff, and I've kinda figured out what chords seem to work fine etc, but apart from that I've got no theory...

Will skip about the web for a bit and see if I can come up with something.

Thanks!

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Message 17/20 17-Jan-01 @ 02:14 PM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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Volley a very good book is "Arranging techniques for synthesists" by Eric Turkel it's full of good information and as you know good arranging skills can breathe new life into your music.My wife bought it for me by mistake(she was supposed to get another book)and I'm glad she did it's direct and to the point.

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Message 18/20 19-Jan-01 @ 12:57 AM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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nice pict ill look that book up.volley you asked if that book would be any good 4 a newbie,i got the book about 8 months ago(i had actually asked someone at dancetech about jazz chords)they recommended book..got that and book to help me read notation.found it was hard to play so i started lessons with a jazz pianist(it dont cost that much �27 a time..once a fornight.we had to play jingle bells and things like that first but now i am doing stuff i like and its sound alright.pict i only got semi weighted keys i want a proper piano too,better to learn on and they wicked.pict are you currently making music and what kind of thing do you do.ging

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Message 19/20 19-Jan-01 @ 01:02 AM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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ps there is jazz primer on web by mark san...something

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Message 20/20 19-Jan-01 @ 02:27 AM - RE: mixolydian or what?

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Yeah I checked out that guys site ages ago it's pretty good if you want to get into Jazz.I'm working on a few things just now and hopefully I'll be getting a completed album out sooner rather than later.I'm working on a piece just now experimenting with transitions between consonance and dissonance and tension but it could never be classed as dance music more something to listen to.If you are looking to buy a piano make sure you either take someone who knows about them or at the least buy "The piano book" by Larry Fine and read it thoroughly.I've just looked at a piano recently which the guy(a piano technician with his own shop)wants 2500 pounds for and it would fall apart after a short time because of its age.Pianos that are really just furniture and are dead as musical instruments are regularly sold at around the grand/grand and a half mark it's worse than used car dealing definitely buyer beware to be safe buy a new or newish one from an established piano shop with good aftercare.

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