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Original Message 1/19 20-Sep-00 @ 01:41 AM - Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

redchurch

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Ok, I've seen lots of questions of this nature (how do I...?) but my ultimate question is: How the hell does Richard D. James or mu-ziq program such cool messed up rythms? How do they get that stuttering (but on time) effect? It's almost like they run their drum loops through a randomizing program that completely scrambles them. I've tried numerous times to duplicate this with no luck - I have however come up with interesting new tricks. 1) Try taking your drum loop and using something like Cool Edit to STRETCH it using low precision. 2) Program a beat, then record it and open it in Sound Forge or Cool Edit and cut out certain samples and paste them around in interesting ways.

If anyone knows how Aphex or mu-ziq do this please share.

-redchurch

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Message 2/19 20-Sep-00 @ 02:56 PM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

Tomek S.

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You can just program it note by note, 'recycling' breaks works pretty good too, and mixing both. It takes a while, easier once you get some experience, good sense of rythm and 'rythmic imagination' are welcome too...
Above, you'll find a link to a track I did a while ago, I'm still pretty happy with programming, it' been all programmed note by note. It's called 7CE, check it out if you feel like ;-)
Cheers

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Message 3/19 20-Sep-00 @ 03:13 PM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

swanofnever

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yeah, i love u-ziq, as far a si can tell the key is to NOT program with loops but to chop the break up into indiv. hits.... when the sounds get more and more "cut off" or stuttery all they've done is decreased the note on time/gate time for each hit. but yeah, those guys are fucked. just map a break into single hits across the black keys on your keyboard, and just jam. then go back and process/fuck stuff up.

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Message 4/19 20-Sep-00 @ 03:16 PM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

redchurch

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Yeah, I already do a lot of programming note by note. I've also gotten some decent D&B type stuff by programming two beats, one on "off beat" of the other, and then layering them. That can provide some really cool results. But what I'm talking about with Aphex or Mu-ziq is like the 4th count of a measure suddenly the drums will just get all weird and really tripped out - like mismatched spliced snare rolls. Have you heard the Aphex tune "Bucephalus Bouncing Ball"? It's like taking some of that effect and compacting it into the 4th count of a 4/4 beat. It sounds quite unnatural in a cool way, very non-MIDI. Almost doesn't sound like something that could be programmed with standard note values. Anyway, I'll keep trying...

-redchurch

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Message 5/19 20-Sep-00 @ 03:18 PM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

Roshi

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It just takes a lot of drum programming. One trick is to mix up different breaks that have been cut up.

One trick that works is to cut your break up into 8ths and just rearrange the 8ths, working up variations that way. Just repeating the same 8th note can give you weird results. It's sort of a "meta" way of working with breaks, a little more meta than arranging the individual hits.

But it takes a lot of patience to break up your breaks into individual hits, and do a lot of rearranging. It's not going to happen overnight. In short, experiment, experiment, there's no formula.

Check out "Joyous Clockwork" on my soundclick site for an example of the above.

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Message 6/19 20-Sep-00 @ 03:20 PM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

redchurch

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Message 7/19 20-Sep-00 @ 03:20 PM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

redchurch

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Message 8/19 20-Sep-00 @ 04:33 PM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

nobody

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Look into a program call Max.Thats all I can say or they will hurt me.

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Message 9/19 20-Sep-00 @ 04:58 PM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

nobody

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wtf? that's my name!! i am nobody!! not you. ok then.

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Message 10/19 21-Sep-00 @ 10:04 AM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

Tomek S.

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I see what you're talking about. It's still mostly programming. Remember that there's more to rythms than 4/4 and straight 16th notes. Going into different triplets will give you a lot of that change of feel kinda thing. In Bucephalus Bouncing Ball, to my ears, there also seems to be some analog delay - when you turn the delay time knob, it will give you that slow down/'accelerate into a snare roll' effect (I'm haveing real problems expressing myself today...I hate mornings).

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Message 11/19 25-Sep-00 @ 09:45 AM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

fReAk-1C

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k, about that thing where you map the 8ths or 16ths of a beat across a keyboard and jam it out, there are ways to get more creative with that. if your sampler has multiple outs, assign different sections of the beat to different channels and process them with different eq/fx. also try adding filters to only some of the parts, and allow some of them to be pitch-bent with your MIDI wheel. looping certain sections, both forward and alternating, can make for some interesting results as well.

so just be creative and remember; even if you made a beat that sounds abit shitty, doing some wack things to it on a sampler can make it fun.

enjoy

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Message 12/19 25-Sep-00 @ 01:03 PM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

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I assume you're talking about thing where you hear the "bouncing ball"(?)
If that's it you should try using a wave editor (I've been using Wave Lab), just CTRL-C the sample and then paste the sample in at increasingly shorter intervals.
I've been using the AnalogX.com delay calculator to find out exactly where I'm supposed to paste the sample.
I'm expressing myself poorly here, I'll try to make a better effort:
If you want a bouncing ball effect, first paste the sample in at 0ms, then after the time corresponding to a bar, then after the time corresponding to 1/3 of a bar, then at the time corresponding to 1/2 a bar and continue in that way, constantly shifting between triplets and those notes that are divisible by four (I'm not English, so my tech jargon isn't the best.)

seh;;;

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Message 13/19 27-Sep-00 @ 03:08 AM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

nunchucks

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another tip for getting those drill sounds is to loop snares(or bass and cybals if you want) then map the snare across the keyboard(not all the way just a couple of keys)loop them very roughly and you should get some inter3esting drill sounds. also do program all of you drums in a drum editor. use the matrix edit(piano roll) for snare samples when you make them set the release to 0. then crank the resolution of the matix edit way up like 1/96 note or higher. then vary the lenth of the notes(drum) that helps to give you that kindof cutup feel to. because the drum sounds don't gt to play all the way. don't know if i expained this very well but oh well

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Message 14/19 08-Oct-00 @ 08:05 PM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

AstralPrizm

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Let me help ya' out.
Open up fruity loops.
Set the tempo to about 300.
And get to work!!
That's a better than you've had all day.
Just because the tempo's that fast.
Doesn't mean the groove has to be.
If you need more help...E-mail me.
I'll send ya' some examples.

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Message 15/19 09-Oct-00 @ 09:21 AM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

ivan

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Doubling the tempo is just another way of doubling the resolution... just use 32th instead of 16ths for the same effect.

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Message 16/19 09-Oct-00 @ 01:19 PM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

teemu

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One trick that is used by d&b producers a lot is to use different lengths for the drums. Something as simple as making every second snare a bit shorter can give the track a lot more dynamic feel.

If you want to go really mental you can always go over the top and make every drum sound really short(16th or 32th) and turn off any quantization. Put the sequencer on loop, press Record and just bang the keyboard until it starts to sound like Aphex Twin. Works for me...

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Message 17/19 10-Oct-00 @ 03:27 AM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

Pongoid

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First take A LOT OF LSD, then listen to a BUNCH of really good old-skool funk records like P-funk stuff, then some good electro, like Underground
resistance stuff, take some more LSD, until your sense of hearing really gets twisted, then try to remember what you heard and reprogram it on your synths. It's not impossible, but it does take time, a highly creative imagination, and killing quite a few brain cells in the process. Also, some garage sale secret weapons don't hurt. Good luck.

Ape

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Message 18/19 11-Oct-00 @ 04:23 AM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

jas who?

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what happened to my earlier post was it deemed unworthy

or somethin' damn!!!!

wtf???

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Message 19/19 23-Oct-00 @ 05:20 AM - RE: Aphex Twin and Mu-ziq drum programming?

Benjamin.Terrill

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Cutting up Beats in wavelab...

R U guys thinking of Granular Synthesis?

try downloading Granulab, search for it, its shareware.

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