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Original Message 1/22 16-Nov-00 @ 07:04 PM - Get an 808 ?

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So, I have SuperNova II, CS6X, K2000rs, Tr909 and a few other sound sources. I'll be getting a RM1x pretty soon, but I think I'll still be using Cakewalk for sequensing most of the time.

Given this setup, is there any point in getting a Tr808 ? I know somebody that has one for sale, and the 808s used to be hard to find (?) and I feel like rushing out to buy it.

What's making me hesitate is that I know the 808 doesn't do MIDI. Is it possible to sync the 808 to the rest of the equipment and will it be easy to use or am I setting myself up for more trouble than it's worth ?

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Message 2/22 16-Nov-00 @ 07:59 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

Frostbyte

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you can Din sync it to your 909. I tried it with my xbase09 this summer, with my friend's 808, worked a charm

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Message 3/22 16-Nov-00 @ 10:33 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

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Yes, but will I be able to sync the rest of the equipment this way ?

I mean, could perhaps the 909 be the MIDI 'time master' somehow, so that all units including the Cakewalk PC are in sync ?

And if so, is the 808 timing accurate enough for the whole system to rely on it ?

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Message 4/22 16-Nov-00 @ 11:51 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

Frostbyte

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well, the 808 will only respond to start/stop and receive clock. So it'll do it's own thing pattern wise, but in sync. Cakewalk should respond to that also via midi (it works with xbase as master and Cubase slave)But i've never tried a 909, so I want make assumptions about it. I'm sure some more qualified headz can give you a run down on it.

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Message 5/22 17-Nov-00 @ 02:57 AM - RE: Get an 808 ?

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Thanks for your help and for being so patient, Frostbyte.

What I meant was that using the 808 as a 'din time master', the 909 might be able to be the 'midi time master', and the PC the first 'midi time slave' and the rest of the devices the second 'midi time slaves'.

The time signal path would then be :

808--[din]-->909--[midi]-->cakewalk--[midi]-->interface--[midi]-->synths.

If I understand the hardware correctly, this would be the only possibility because the 808 has DIN in and out, and the 909 has DIN in only.

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Message 6/22 18-Nov-00 @ 10:47 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

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I bought it.

If anybody's interested, I'll post updates about how I hook it up and how the combination works.

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Message 7/22 21-Nov-00 @ 05:47 AM - RE: Get an 808 ?

Frostbyte

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cool. I'm sure you won't regret it. I'd love one, even just for the hats ! But I have to rely on the sampler for extra perc. Having two drum machines linked up is awesome, now you'll know the real meaning of layering

As for the technical side of it, well as I said, I don't know much more. We had it hook up to the xbase by din, and we just punched in pattern, accenting here and there. I don't think you should compute it to much in your tempo equation. But then reading back (i've been away a while) I see the 909 has only din in ? that would mean the 909 can only be slave in din sync? Does the din sync ovverides the clock on the midi bus? I don't know.

HEADZ!!!!!, how come no one answered that ? It's been three days

Hello, my name is Frostbyte and I'm a gear whore who's just succomb to a compressor, ouch!

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Message 8/22 21-Nov-00 @ 02:18 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

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So far, I've done nothing more than sync the 909 to the 808 DIN out. This is the only option with the equipment I have now. I don't think I want to sync all my gear to the 808. But there must be some sort of device available that extracts the timing from MIDI and outputs a DIN signal ? I'll be looking into this soon.

The 808/909 combo is great, even tho the lack of midi on the 808 makes it appear like a tool from the stone age. :o)

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Message 9/22 21-Nov-00 @ 03:51 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

casparproject

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Phillip Rees and Kenton both make Midi to DIN convertors.

peaceout,

peter

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Message 10/22 21-Nov-00 @ 05:43 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

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Is the Philip Rees' "MDS MIDI to DIN Sync (Sync24) Convertor" the right product (and best choice) here ?

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Message 11/22 21-Nov-00 @ 05:45 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

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(This is the URL I found Philip Rees at)

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Message 12/22 21-Nov-00 @ 06:31 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

Frostbyte

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seems like what you're looking for

808, I envy you!
And the stone age is the most beautiful, roll up another one. Oh, and get a partner if you really want to trip. Wish I hadn't waited so long to get one, best piece I ever got (Ok peeps, make up the jokes now

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Message 13/22 21-Nov-00 @ 09:06 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

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Reading at Kenton's site now (thanks, peter)...

It seems that it's possible to modify the 808 to respond to MIDI notes and other stuff as well as timing. This would mean modifying the inside of the box, tho. What do you all think of that idea ? Is it going to far, or is such an 808 desirable ?

(I didn't buy the 808 to make money from selling it later - I want the sounds it makes...)

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Message 14/22 21-Nov-00 @ 09:56 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

Frostbyte

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Personally, I wouldn't mod it, since the convertor will do the job. but then it's yours

Besides, you just got it, play a while with it and see how it integrates in your rig with the rees or kenton.

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Message 15/22 21-Nov-00 @ 10:57 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

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But the convertor will only do the sync...

Having full (well, partial) MIDI control, including velocity, would make the 808 more expressive and also suitable for sequensing.

I'm thinking out loud here... Please continue helping me decide what to do.

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Message 16/22 21-Nov-00 @ 11:21 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

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Where did you get the info on the mod? I don't know, I'd be reluctant. But then I don't really use a sequencer as master of all things. I like the fact you can have many sound source that can do their thing and you just shift them in some direction or just get on their case and tweak the fuck out of them. Take my JX-3P for instance, it's not synced to anything (apart if i'm using the built in seq.), still, it's one of the pieces I like the most. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It is very usable as it is.

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Message 17/22 22-Nov-00 @ 12:07 AM - RE: Get an 808 ?

casparproject

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Don't bother w the mod. After all, one of the
greatest characteristics of the 808 is it's
sequencer.

Peaceout,

Peter

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Message 18/22 23-Nov-00 @ 11:32 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

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I've been out to lunch so to speak.Check out the doepfer MSY-1 midi to din sync box it's like $125 us.Or you could get the new FR mobius step sequencer w/ all sorts of extras for interfacing and controlling old and new gear all for $325 that thing is wicked.

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the doepfer will take care of you for cheap.Midi in DIN sync out,exactly what you seek.

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Message 19/22 24-Nov-00 @ 07:14 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

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I found the Doepfer site (which is quite interesting) at the URL above.

No luck finding the FR mobius, tho. Who's making/distributing it ?

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Message 20/22 24-Nov-00 @ 07:28 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

Frostbyte

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Future Retro, makers of 777. Looks awesome, do a search on google (always do searches on google)

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Message 21/22 24-Nov-00 @ 09:32 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

Frostbyte

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only one track tho'

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Message 22/22 27-Nov-00 @ 06:07 PM - RE: Get an 808 ?

casparproject

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Great deal or a MIDI'd analog seq though. What do thos MAQ16's go for? Like $600?

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