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Subject: SP-808: Quality?


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Original Message 1/16             03-Nov-98  @  08:54 PM   -   SP-808: Quality?

Simon

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Does anyone here own roland's new SP-808 sampler? I'm thinking about buying one
but I heard that the sequencer is not very versatile. My other option would be the
Akai MPC-2000. Which one should I choose?



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Message 2/16             03-Nov-98  @  09:05 PM   -   RE: SP-808: Quality?

Looney Boy

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Buy the Akai MPC2000. This will be a better unit in the long run. I have never really used the SP808 but latly Roland is making a lot of gear that is really a self contained band in a box. And when used with other gear seems to have problems with sync, or midi msg, vel., controll, ect. The MPC2000 is more flexiable. I would buy an ASR 10 before I bought a Roland SP808. But I really wouldn't buy an ASR10 anyway. Look into the new Akai samplers S6000 & the S5000. Smokin........



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Message 3/16             03-Nov-98  @  10:55 PM   -   RE: SP-808: Quality?

x2c4nrg

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Hell no, buy an ASR 10. I have one and it is very versitile. Its loaded, and I mean loaded, with fx, fx on fx, etc. I have NEVER had a problem with my ASR. You have a full keyboard, unless you buy a rack, and its completely user friendly. I love my ASR and Ill never replace it. I use my Bass Station and my 777 with it and couldn't have more fun. I say definatly look into an ASR before you run out and buy just any other sampler. It lacks 1 thing...reso knob. It has cuttoff and frequency controls, but no reso. The new ASR-X does have the reso knob and has some synth strings and stuff and the ASR-X pro has Stomper built in so you can create analog type drums. I think that the keyboard alone makes a big difference. I dont know if the Akai has a keyboard or not, but a freind of mine had an Akai and sold it for an ASR-10 because the Akai sucked. I dont know which one it was though, it was white and it was a rack mount, not a good choice 

BTW, hey Looney Boy, I thought you were going to send me your CDs? What happened?



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Message 4/16             03-Nov-98  @  11:25 PM   -   RE: SP-808: Quality?

Simon

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I have a friend that owns an ASR 88, and I have a friend that owns an AKAI MPC-2000. I have
found that the sample resolution is much higher on the AKAI. The effects processor for the ASR
is much better than that of the AKAI. The ASR, however, is a bit out of my price range. What
can you suggest for about $1,300.



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Message 5/16             04-Nov-98  @  05:24 AM   -   RE: SP-808: Quality?

x2c4nrg

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I bought my ASR-10 for $800. That was because I knew the guy, but the ASR-10 is going for $1200 to $1600 U.S. I know you can find an ASR for $1300 if you look hard enough. Look in the classifieds. Im sure youll find one.

ReZo-99



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Message 6/16             04-Nov-98  @  03:36 PM   -   RE: SP-808: Quality?

Simon

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Thanks



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Message 7/16             06-Nov-98  @  10:55 AM   -   RE: SP-808: Quality?

Franky

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I own the SP-808 Groovesampler ! Itīs s also loaded with FX (feat. realtime FX in conection with other synths...) Then you have an perfect Squenzer. You can Put your samples to an Track !!!.
On four Channel Recording. You can resample your samples . . . And the best --> I wrote it for a few time: Its got an virtual analogue Syntesizer inside. It sounds really cool !!!! and with the Step Mod function you can create a bassline !!!! The sample leght per sample is about 18 min (stereo)
and 26 min (mono) it fact you can load complete songs into the sampler for remixing !!!!.

This was a small selection of the funktions - Buy it !!!

Franky



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Message 8/16             06-Nov-98  @  03:31 PM   -   RE: SP-808: Quality?

x2c4nrg

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Damn, that sure is alot of sampling time. My ASR-10 only samples like 3 minutes. Damn, thats hella sampling time. That alone makes the SP-808 super fresh. Maybe I better check it out...damn. Does it have filters for the samples. Can you tweak the samples with reso, cuttoff, etc.?

...damn, damn, damn.

ReZo-99



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Message 9/16             06-Nov-98  @  03:47 PM   -   RE: SP-808: Quality?

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Aint it got something naff tho, like polyphony of 4 ? and thats yer lot. So ya talking a kick/hats/nasty sound/ oh shite! better make the last one a goodun!

You just want a dj toy, then thats what your gonna get.



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Message 10/16             06-Nov-98  @  04:29 PM   -   RE: SP-808: Quality?

Frank

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Sucker not the polyphony - Sorry this is my bad english i mean FOUR TRACK Recording !!

Franky



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Message 11/16             06-Nov-98  @  04:44 PM   -   RE: SP-808: Quality?

Franky

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Hey X2C yes i forgot: All effects have reso and Cutoff !!! Yes you can tweak your samples!!!

CHECK IT OUT !!!!

Franky



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Message 12/16             06-Nov-98  @  09:33 PM   -   RE: SP-808: Quality?

a-jasonz

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PEACE:
I have a friend who just bought an sp-808, he uses it with guitar and other keyboard sounds, with his particular application I think the 808 is a good buy, I do more quick sounds that don't take up alot of ram or disk space but a lot of Polyphony with the layering that I do (I don't like the disk recording audio on the ASR, too much of a hassle to use) . I use 2 ASR-10's (keyboard and rack) and they have done good. A few questions though if anyone can help me: does anyone out there have tips or their own storys about the ASR freezing up during song playback? while this dosn't happen all that often it is VERY anoying when your working for hours tweeking you levels maticulously and poof! "ERROR-29 REBOOT?" man, a lot of ARR users out there. I just got the output expander fot the key board and I'm loveing it.
peace- J



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Message 13/16             06-Nov-98  @  11:14 PM   -   RE: SP-808: Quality?

x2c4nrg

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I've never had a problem with my ASR-10. My ASR-10 has done me good. I've had it for 4 years and I never had any problem. A homie of mine has one too and he's never had a problem either and he's had his for 5 years. What booting disk are you using? I dont know if that matters but it might. I dont know why your ASR is freezing up though. I wish I could help.

ReZo-99



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Message 14/16             10-Nov-98  @  01:15 AM   -   RE: SP-808: Quality?

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I boot from a SCSI drive with the O.S. on the zip disk. Do any of you? mabey the system is not stable if you boot from your working disk? I don't know. you NEVER had a single crash? man it happens about once a month for me. especially on certain songs at certain places of the song when it does crash. again, it doesn't happen that often, but when it does, it suck's big time. thanks for any responces no matter how small!
-J



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Message 15/16             10-Nov-98  @  01:56 AM   -   RE: SP-808: Quality?

x2c4nrg

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I have SCSI on my ASR but I dont use it. I dont have the drive. I just use regular disks. I wish I could use it but I dont even know how it works. (stupid me) I dont know if that is the problem on your ASR but Ive never had a problem and I dont use the SCSI. ??? Ill ask my homie. Hes knows a little more about ASR's.

ReZo-99



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Message 16/16             10-Nov-98  @  02:36 AM   -   RE: SP-808: Quality?

Looney Boy

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Well ASR problems... I bought an ASR 10 when they first came out a long time ago and it froze on me 3 times. I had to send it back to have repaired. But I sold it and bought a Kurzweil K2000s. Though mine had a problem most of them don't. Like I said I had it when it first came out. Though I have a question on the SP808. When you use the hard disk recorder to record your samples can you cut them up as you can sample data? Can you shoot cut up samples from Recycle, or wave Lab, or sound forge to the hard disk recorder? or vise versa? I mean the sp808 is hard disk recording right? Can you make a ghoust copy of your sample with out using memory? When I use drum loops I use recycle to cut up the sample and change tempo with affecting the pitch can the SP808 do this? How many midi channels does the sequencer handle? Does it handle more chanels than the Akia MPC2000 or 3000? That would be a question really for live use since you wouldn't want to bring your computer on stage. Though most electronic bands that tour usally have most of the tracks recorded on a ADAT or two. How well does the SP808 work with midi in a studio set up? The MC303 sucks bad on this point and the MC505 isn't much better. Just wondering how the SP808 works. Though there has been a lot of hype and people really enjoying there SP808 how practical is it? Sure you have hard disk recording but I have that on my sequencer Cubase VST with a lot more effects and channels to record on than the SP808. Just wondering if roland is just trying to sell another band in a box? I hear of a lot of people wanting to buy a SP808 and make dance music and that is fine and all but can you really produce some quality tracks with just the SP808? Maybe dub house or minimal Drum and bass but most of the music today that is really good uses more than just a MC505 and SP808. Those are my questions feel free to bash away.....



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