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Subject: submit your 303ish fave
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Original Message 1/16 13-May-99 @ 02:37 AM - submit your 303ish fave
Do you have albums or tracks done by other dudes that you just love? It's so hard to find CD's that I love from beginning to end. Usually I end up tossing the great majority of music that I buy. Please clue me in on some good albums and if you have links so we can hear them, please send em. I like stuff with the 303 here and there but lets keep it open minded. Whatever you can recommend. Thanks! Here's a few of my own:
Chemical Brothers:
Three Little Birdies Down Beats.(from Exit Planet Dust)
Plasticman:
Marbles.(from Musik)
Crystal Method:
Keep Hope Alive.(from Vegas)
Chemical Brothers:
Three Little Birdies Down Beats.(from Exit Planet Dust)
Plasticman:
Marbles.(from Musik)
Crystal Method:
Keep Hope Alive.(from Vegas)
Message 2/16 13-May-99 @ 03:02 AM - RE: submit your 303ish fave
If you like breakbeat techno, you can't go wrong with "The Prodigy: Experience" (Liam's first album, one of my alltime favourites).
"Music For The Jilted Generation" by The Prodigy is also kick ass, and if you like the 303 and wanna hear it used in a way that's it not generally used, check out "Speedway" on that album...
The last track on it "Claustrophobic Sting" has a manic 303 line...scares the shit out of you when you're alone and everything's dark.
These two albums are kick ass, but you generally wanna stay the hell away from The Prodigy's 3rd album...shit on a stick with the exception of a couple of tracks...
Reference to more general-acid-hardcore, you might wanna check out a couple of German compilations (but the older the better, you'll notice a difference between 1994 and 1998)...check out "Ravermeister Vol 2" or "Rave Mission"......
"Music For The Jilted Generation" by The Prodigy is also kick ass, and if you like the 303 and wanna hear it used in a way that's it not generally used, check out "Speedway" on that album...
The last track on it "Claustrophobic Sting" has a manic 303 line...scares the shit out of you when you're alone and everything's dark.
These two albums are kick ass, but you generally wanna stay the hell away from The Prodigy's 3rd album...shit on a stick with the exception of a couple of tracks...
Reference to more general-acid-hardcore, you might wanna check out a couple of German compilations (but the older the better, you'll notice a difference between 1994 and 1998)...check out "Ravermeister Vol 2" or "Rave Mission"......
Message 3/16 14-May-99 @ 03:58 AM - RE: submit your 303ish fave
Yeah Prodigy I love. Even their latest crab on the cover one I covet. The first time I heard them was the Firestarter song on WipeoutXL. That playstation game is actually a really good disk. Just pop it in your CD and out the music comes. Even some unreleased stuff too.
Hey maybe this is off the subject a tad, but did you ever hear that song Witchdoctor by Armand Van Helden? He did that whole song on a cheapo sampling workstation. So simple but once you hear it, it will infect you. Goes to show how much the man behind the machine is all that counts. Everyone is striving to get the gear to get noticed, but all you really need is the right idea and the willingness to complete it.
Hey maybe this is off the subject a tad, but did you ever hear that song Witchdoctor by Armand Van Helden? He did that whole song on a cheapo sampling workstation. So simple but once you hear it, it will infect you. Goes to show how much the man behind the machine is all that counts. Everyone is striving to get the gear to get noticed, but all you really need is the right idea and the willingness to complete it.
Message 4/16 14-May-99 @ 08:37 AM - RE: submit your 303ish fave
Hey Prodigy's fat of the land is a great album. Nice hard beats with wicked synth and guitar riffs. Very Cool. Try checking out Daft punk,Fat Boy Slim,Frontside,Wink ect....
Message 5/16 14-May-99 @ 04:34 PM - RE: submit your 303ish fave
Hey, nobody freaks a TB like Hardfloor. They are the 303 Gods! To me anyway. They're my #1 influence. I also like alot of acid breakbeat like stuff from The Electroliners and George Acosta. I think Hardfloor deserves more props cause the stuff they do is....ummmmm.....fucking incredible, like shit I could only imagine. If you haven't peeped them, your missing out.
That just what pumps through my viens though.
ReZo-99
That just what pumps through my viens though.
ReZo-99
Message 6/16 14-May-99 @ 10:01 PM - RE: submit your 303ish fave
Armand Van Helden did "Witch Doctor" on the Roland W-30 Sampling Workstation, it's the same workstation that Liam Howlett of The Prodigy uses, except he has 4 of them, if not more.
I dunno about "The Fat of The Land"....I hate that album with a passion, except for "Smack My Bitch Up", "Funky Shit" (which was already two years old by the time it was put onto the album), and "Mindfields" (originally known as "Minefields"). Everything else is shit on a stick (and of course without the stick...)....."Breathe" and "Firestarter" were ok when they were released in 1996, but it got overplayed and I start to hate music when the general population starts to like it.....
Liam's 3rd album does not even compare to "Experience" and "Music For The Jilted Generation"...that's some high quality stuff...dunno what's up his arse with all this punk-rock bullshit....
Daft Punk is ok...good use of 303 on "Da Funk", and they make good use of a 909 and bass effects to give themselves a distinguished sound....they also fuck around with "PCF" like filtering...take a look at their song "Musique" for example....gets kinda hypnotic after a while..
I don't listen to Fatboy Slim much...only song I really like from him is "Everybody Needs a 303"...
I dunno about "The Fat of The Land"....I hate that album with a passion, except for "Smack My Bitch Up", "Funky Shit" (which was already two years old by the time it was put onto the album), and "Mindfields" (originally known as "Minefields"). Everything else is shit on a stick (and of course without the stick...)....."Breathe" and "Firestarter" were ok when they were released in 1996, but it got overplayed and I start to hate music when the general population starts to like it.....
Liam's 3rd album does not even compare to "Experience" and "Music For The Jilted Generation"...that's some high quality stuff...dunno what's up his arse with all this punk-rock bullshit....
Daft Punk is ok...good use of 303 on "Da Funk", and they make good use of a 909 and bass effects to give themselves a distinguished sound....they also fuck around with "PCF" like filtering...take a look at their song "Musique" for example....gets kinda hypnotic after a while..
I don't listen to Fatboy Slim much...only song I really like from him is "Everybody Needs a 303"...
Message 7/16 14-May-99 @ 10:18 PM - RE: submit your 303ish fave
man that stuff lame....check 'Happy 303' by DJ Shoko on Tunnel reocrds....but good luck finding it
Message 8/16 14-May-99 @ 11:04 PM - RE: submit your 303ish fave
Speaking of Hardfloor, I heard some KILLER mixes of Hardfloor done by Sven Vath, another greatness in 303 land. I believe it was off of one of those Mix Mag comps.
Yes, Daft Punk is fantastic I think. They are the fine impressionists of techno, I would call them. A lot of emotion with little effort. Minimalism at it's auditory fineness.
Fat Boy Slim I sort of like. I don't watch MTV, and we don't get techno on the radio here so I'm not pelted to death with such infectious beats as the Rockafeller Skank. I still love it. Does anyone here know how he did that effect where it sounds like the beat slows down and turns itself into a single cycle waveform rising in pitch? No shit, that is one of the most memorable and ear catching effects I've ever heard in a tune. Its like he has time stretched it in a ramp like fashion until it just oscillates at the end. What sampler does this?
What is the appeal of the Roland W-30? I'm not familiar with this one. Is there something great about mixing with it, that you would have to have a whole bunch of them? The next big sleeper in dance music?
Yes, Daft Punk is fantastic I think. They are the fine impressionists of techno, I would call them. A lot of emotion with little effort. Minimalism at it's auditory fineness.
Fat Boy Slim I sort of like. I don't watch MTV, and we don't get techno on the radio here so I'm not pelted to death with such infectious beats as the Rockafeller Skank. I still love it. Does anyone here know how he did that effect where it sounds like the beat slows down and turns itself into a single cycle waveform rising in pitch? No shit, that is one of the most memorable and ear catching effects I've ever heard in a tune. Its like he has time stretched it in a ramp like fashion until it just oscillates at the end. What sampler does this?
What is the appeal of the Roland W-30? I'm not familiar with this one. Is there something great about mixing with it, that you would have to have a whole bunch of them? The next big sleeper in dance music?
Message 9/16 15-May-99 @ 06:39 PM - RE: submit your 303ish fave
Did you guy's know that "Music Sounds Better With You" was made by Thomas of Daft Punk?
Also, if you wanna learn more about the W-30, check out my webpage and look under the equipment section for The Prodigy;
it's the only place on earth where you'll find such an informative page on all of Liam's equipment (including pics, technical information, comments, and quotes...)
Also, if you wanna learn more about the W-30, check out my webpage and look under the equipment section for The Prodigy;
it's the only place on earth where you'll find such an informative page on all of Liam's equipment (including pics, technical information, comments, and quotes...)
Message 10/16 15-May-99 @ 08:15 PM - RE: submit your 303ish fave
Wow. Great site! How did you get all of this info? Have you ever had the chance to meet or talk with the members? Also, I'd be very interested if you had any info on how they wire all this stuff up for live shows. More, more, more!
Message 11/16 16-May-99 @ 06:32 AM - RE: submit your 303ish fave
I'm the biggest fan of The Prodigy on the face of the earth. I know every fuckin' thing about Liam Howlett, totally obsessed...he's what inspired me to start with techno...I've never met them, but get this:
The night of my high school graduation, they came to my city for the first time....I wasn't able to go see them cause I had to go to this stupid hotel for supper with my girlfriend and such with my graduating class...that same fuckin' night as I was eating the "entré", guess who was walking out of the fuckin' lobby? The Prodigy...and guess who didn't get to see them.....
Liam doesn't like to explain a lot about his setup...it's his own "secret technique"....there's a lot of interaction with the W-30's...the one under his Nordlead in live performance (used to be under his SH-101, and before that under his 909) is his main controller. Everything is sequenced on the W-30's....there's also a lot of things going on with his Akai's...lots of samples there being controlled by the W-30...
These days he's working less with actually doing live stuff...most of it is all sequenced for him, you don't see him go bonkers anymore like 2 years ago...at Phoenix Festival 1996 during "Funky Shit", he hits the W-30, hit's a switch on his Kenton MIDI Box, wacks in a couple of live notes on the 303, hit's a W-30 to the left...it's madness! Pretty cool stuff!
Anything else you wanna know?
The night of my high school graduation, they came to my city for the first time....I wasn't able to go see them cause I had to go to this stupid hotel for supper with my girlfriend and such with my graduating class...that same fuckin' night as I was eating the "entré", guess who was walking out of the fuckin' lobby? The Prodigy...and guess who didn't get to see them.....
Liam doesn't like to explain a lot about his setup...it's his own "secret technique"....there's a lot of interaction with the W-30's...the one under his Nordlead in live performance (used to be under his SH-101, and before that under his 909) is his main controller. Everything is sequenced on the W-30's....there's also a lot of things going on with his Akai's...lots of samples there being controlled by the W-30...
These days he's working less with actually doing live stuff...most of it is all sequenced for him, you don't see him go bonkers anymore like 2 years ago...at Phoenix Festival 1996 during "Funky Shit", he hits the W-30, hit's a switch on his Kenton MIDI Box, wacks in a couple of live notes on the 303, hit's a W-30 to the left...it's madness! Pretty cool stuff!
Anything else you wanna know?
Message 12/16 16-May-99 @ 01:24 PM - RE: submit your 303ish fave
Geez. That's going to eat at you for life man. I respect your interest in The Prodigy because they're one of my main inspirations. Much time I have spent analyzing their mixes over and over trying to make sense of how they do it.
If you have some info, some other things that would be interested in is 1.) What devices are they using for distortion and saturation (There is such extreme use of it in their mixes that there must be some pedals or tube compressors, no? I just saw a couple of Drawmers and a valve EQ), 2.) Is everything they do live sequenced?(Any multitracking going on?)
I've been busting my balls for 2 years putting together a live system that I can club with on a weekly basis. I just bought the remaining things yesterday afternoon. My credit card is so full its an embarrasment. Now it's just a lot more practice and programming to make it happen for this summer. Anything that you can clue me in on about The Prodigy's live setup would be very interesting to me.
If you have some info, some other things that would be interested in is 1.) What devices are they using for distortion and saturation (There is such extreme use of it in their mixes that there must be some pedals or tube compressors, no? I just saw a couple of Drawmers and a valve EQ), 2.) Is everything they do live sequenced?(Any multitracking going on?)
I've been busting my balls for 2 years putting together a live system that I can club with on a weekly basis. I just bought the remaining things yesterday afternoon. My credit card is so full its an embarrasment. Now it's just a lot more practice and programming to make it happen for this summer. Anything that you can clue me in on about The Prodigy's live setup would be very interesting to me.
Message 13/16 16-May-99 @ 07:08 PM - RE: submit your 303ish fave
That's what I've been trying to do for over 2 years...get a nice live setup, but I don't have the gear nor enough experience to put it all together....the max I can do right now if to have Rebirth running (controlled by by MCR-8) and have a line from my Prophecy sequenced in MIDI...then I just go nuts at wacking away at the buttons on the MCR-8 (changing patterns) and tweak all the knobs and sliders...
Liam uses a lot of effects....did you check out the rack unit section of the equipment? It's all there....he also relies on a lot of internal distortion (he really likes the Korg Prophecy's distortion)
As for boxes...can't say much...
I've been following Liam's work since 1996....it's gotten less live and I found that he's relying more on Akai's these days....
What kinda gear are you using?
Liam uses a lot of effects....did you check out the rack unit section of the equipment? It's all there....he also relies on a lot of internal distortion (he really likes the Korg Prophecy's distortion)
As for boxes...can't say much...
I've been following Liam's work since 1996....it's gotten less live and I found that he's relying more on Akai's these days....
What kinda gear are you using?
Message 14/16 17-May-99 @ 12:03 AM - RE: submit your 303ish fave
The simple setup you have sounds like it could work very well. I'm constantly striving to slim mine down. I've sold most of my gear. I played with a guy once that brought a whole pile of shit with him. Really. Piles of it. For the amount of equipment he brought with him I would have expected something much better.
I tried looking into getting other members to build a band but all I found is DJ's and people who either don't have ambition, have no equipment, or just don't have a clue. So I just said fuck it. I'm going to do this by myself.
Years ago when I started getting into all this stuff, I was really interested in getting gear. I would take great pride in owning X number of synthesizers, and having the latest greatest machine that Jo Blo of the Blo Monkees uses, but all I really think about now is trying to get out there and make it. Don't get me wrong. I'm very interested in the technology but if it doesn't pertain to something I'm doing then...
Well here's some of the main stuff:
Emu ESI-4000 64MB zip drive
Clavia Nord Lead
Waldorf 4 Pole Filter
Doepfer Regelwerk
QM 309
Access Virus
Fostex D90 SCSI +4dbu I/O
I use the D90 for anything complex that I don't need to interact with much.
Hey, what's the MCR-8, a slider box? I have Rebirth 2.1 but don't really use it because I don't want a big computer set up. So are you going to take a laptop with you or the whole shabang?
I tried looking into getting other members to build a band but all I found is DJ's and people who either don't have ambition, have no equipment, or just don't have a clue. So I just said fuck it. I'm going to do this by myself.
Years ago when I started getting into all this stuff, I was really interested in getting gear. I would take great pride in owning X number of synthesizers, and having the latest greatest machine that Jo Blo of the Blo Monkees uses, but all I really think about now is trying to get out there and make it. Don't get me wrong. I'm very interested in the technology but if it doesn't pertain to something I'm doing then...
Well here's some of the main stuff:
Emu ESI-4000 64MB zip drive
Clavia Nord Lead
Waldorf 4 Pole Filter
Doepfer Regelwerk
QM 309
Access Virus
Fostex D90 SCSI +4dbu I/O
I use the D90 for anything complex that I don't need to interact with much.
Hey, what's the MCR-8, a slider box? I have Rebirth 2.1 but don't really use it because I don't want a big computer set up. So are you going to take a laptop with you or the whole shabang?
Message 15/16 17-May-99 @ 01:43 AM - RE: submit your 303ish fave
Ya, my setup is very very very simple, but there'a always complications. It's either all live feel and limited sound, or no live feel with unlimitedness. With live stuff, I'm limited to a 303, 808, and 909 (in Rebirth) but totally controlled in every aspect by my MIDI controller (if you wanna know more about it, visit my webpage...) I can tweak the 303, change patterns, change volumes..turn effects on and off as I please...everything....it's pretty wicked...and in combination with that I can have my Prophecy running the arpeggiator in sync or can play it live....I'm limited to only that because it's a single part instrument....kinda sucks in a sense...
If I sequence everything into Sonic Foundry Acid, I've got zero live feel and it's all precise layering and stuff, but it produces higher quality tracks.....if I had a Z1 on the other hand (polyphonic and multi-timbral version of the Prophecy), I could have 6 instruments going at the same time and Rebirth as well, all controlled......I think my problem could be fixed for total live feel if I got a soundcard which is able to use wave for multiple programs...
I like working alone because I get total control over all the sound, but a partner would be kinda cool, but he'd have to be somewhat compenant or have the drive to get something done, like you said...I've got friends who like techno, but they wouldn't wanna dish out the cash for gear and start working with it...
I would really like to try out that Nordlead of yours...wanna see how it compares to the Prophecy...I'm going down to my music store in about a week and I'll test the Nordlead II.
I've never done a real live performance before...and I've got no laptop, so I'd have to take the tower and monitor and such....
If I sequence everything into Sonic Foundry Acid, I've got zero live feel and it's all precise layering and stuff, but it produces higher quality tracks.....if I had a Z1 on the other hand (polyphonic and multi-timbral version of the Prophecy), I could have 6 instruments going at the same time and Rebirth as well, all controlled......I think my problem could be fixed for total live feel if I got a soundcard which is able to use wave for multiple programs...
I like working alone because I get total control over all the sound, but a partner would be kinda cool, but he'd have to be somewhat compenant or have the drive to get something done, like you said...I've got friends who like techno, but they wouldn't wanna dish out the cash for gear and start working with it...
I would really like to try out that Nordlead of yours...wanna see how it compares to the Prophecy...I'm going down to my music store in about a week and I'll test the Nordlead II.
I've never done a real live performance before...and I've got no laptop, so I'd have to take the tower and monitor and such....
Message 16/16 17-May-99 @ 05:10 AM - RE: submit your 303ish fave
Yeah my N2 is cool but if you want bigger balls get the Access Virus. It's got inputs. The things you can do with sound going into the Virus are unparalleled.
You've got the right attitude. I hope you get out there soon. Good luck with it!
You've got the right attitude. I hope you get out there soon. Good luck with it!
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