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Original Message 1/18 14-Mar-01 @ 08:20 PM - Swing settings
Message 2/18 16-Mar-01 @ 12:21 AM - RE: Swing settings
every second 16th (you most prolly know)
2 settings I use:
Typically I move em all back by 1/4 of a 16th
Or for real attack move them all forward by
1/6 of a 16th.
Message 3/18 16-Mar-01 @ 01:57 AM - RE: Swing settings
sequencer. i do sometimes, and sometimes i do
it by hand...depending on what i'm goin' for.
sometimes a track w/o all that swing is nice.
Message 4/18 16-Mar-01 @ 11:51 AM - RE: Swing settings
suggest a good basis for deep house and banging swinging house like say, basement jaxx.
Message 5/18 16-Mar-01 @ 01:48 PM - RE: Swing settings
Message 6/18 16-Mar-01 @ 03:07 PM - RE: Swing settings
Message 7/18 28-Mar-01 @ 07:03 PM - RE: Swing settings
Most house music is in 4/4. The key to swing is getting the second and fourth 16th notes in a beat to drag just a tiny bit. Let's beak this down to the old standard of 96ppq. This means 96 pulses per quarter note. It's how old drum machines like the 909 and the 808 and 606 stayed in time with each other. I digress.
In each bar of 4/4 you have four quarter notes. Each of these quarternotes has 96 pulses of time between each other. This will give you values of 00 to 95 between each note. Now, let's break each quarter note down to 16th notes, giving you four subdivisions between each. For example, you look at the slots on the 808 in rebirth, and there is a row of 16 little lights across the bottom? That's your four quarters broken up into 16th notes.
Going back to our 96ppq standard, that puts each of those 16ths either at 00, 24,48, or 72, then onto 00 again for the next beat. To get these grooves to swing, you take the second and fourth 16th notes, or what would fall on pulses 24 and 72, and move them back a bit, say 1-6 pulses, depending on how heavy a swing you want. So instead of those second and fourth 16ths in your beat falling on 24 and 72, they fall on pulses 28 and 76. Do not touch your down beat (00) or your up beat (48). If those move, it will sound wierd. maybe later when you REALLY get the hang of swinging notes, you mat want to mess with those to give a much more human syncopated feel, but for now, stick to the basics. Also, do it with all of your instruments, or things will sound like they are out of time with each other. In short, move the the second and fourth division of every beat back just a hair, until it feels like you want it to. Good luck.
Ape
Message 8/18 29-Mar-01 @ 12:55 PM - RE: Swing settings
hi ape, i don't usually do house tracks, more breaks stuff but am very interested in knwoing more.
can you tell me exactly what sounds you are refering to and talk maybe in a cubase sense.
it's very complicated what you say but i do understand the jist of it.
cheers
Message 9/18 29-Mar-01 @ 02:01 PM - RE: Swing settings
well in cubase if you use the groove control with one of the more extreme swing presets and make sure the preview box is ticked, then while your loop is playing adjust the percentage slider so you can hear the changes, it makes it a bit easier to tell what going on. They haven't got very intuitive names so go for the bottom most one.
Message 10/18 29-Mar-01 @ 02:51 PM - RE: Swing settings
can someone give me some tips what exactly the sounds are that you refer to. ie. how many hats, types, pitches, etc.
that's where i get a bit stuck. excuse if i'm a bit simple but i'm not a house person in general.
Message 11/18 30-Mar-01 @ 05:18 AM - RE: Swing settings
there is some midifiles you can grab and checkout see the main drumgroove forum page at the top - grab some files - i added a few swing house/trancy grooves - take the hats and use them in other patterns etc etc...
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Message 12/18 30-Mar-01 @ 06:21 PM - RE: Swing settings
Fink, did you read the last few lines of the last paragraph I wrote?
Message 13/18 04-Apr-01 @ 11:58 AM - RE: Swing settings
sorry pongoid, yeah i printed it off and will be applying the stuff this week. hopefully get some results and will advise.
cheers
Message 14/18 04-Apr-01 @ 05:42 PM - RE: Swing settings
BEATS | 1 0 0 0 | 2 0 0 0 | 3 0 0 0 | 4 0 0 0 |
swng ths | 0 1 0 1 | 0 1 0 1 | 0 1 0 1 | 0 1 0 1 |
Cool man, good luck. I should have used the graph above. Only put the swing on the checked notes.
Ape
Message 15/18 03-May-01 @ 02:50 PM - RE: Swing settings
I'm a bit new to this and I'm sequencing on a Korg Trinity at the moment. I don't know muich about other sequencers so this could be a really common function or unique - however - there's a function to add swing by quantising your beats to a triplet feel by a variable percentage. Pongoid's comments above seemed to make quite a lot of sense to me, I can see how I'd shift some hits but not others on the event editor. How would you shift the required beats using this quantising method? If my beats are all bang on 16ths, would I add swing with triplet 8ths or quarters or what? I'm not sure if I've made myself clear but any help would be appreciated.
Cheers
Message 16/18 07-May-01 @ 09:10 AM - RE: Swing settings
I had a Jazz book around somewhere - it was more or less a students book, anyway it had a Chapter on the use of Swing in Jazz, and 8th note Swing - really helpful.
Message 17/18 12-May-01 @ 09:39 AM - RE: Swing settings
Hey Guys, could you tell please explain to me what all this drum programming jargon means. What exactly does 16nth Shuffle - triplet - groove quantising mean?
All I know is that Shuffle gives the drum-track a slighty off-kilter feel. But when I try shuffle on my drum machine it doesn't really make the drum-track sound nice.
Message 18/18 03-Jun-01 @ 01:16 AM - RE: Swing settings
Try using 16th notes. You won't really hear the shuffle/swing groove unless you do. Set your quantise/swing factors up first (ie 16th note quantise, 50% swing) and play a rapid hi-hat pattern.
Then change the swing percentage and rerecord the HH part to hear the differences in the feels.
sox
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