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Subject: Use of Overtones in Pad's
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Original Message 1/3 30-Mar-01 @ 04:53 AM - Use of Overtones in Pad's
BJT
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Guys:
I noticed the use of overtones really makes
Synth Pad's sound lush.
E.g. a common one is adding an overtone of a 5'th -
this is done by detuning an accompanying wave
up 7 semitones, make sure the accompanying wave
is not too loud, add some LFO's on the Cuttoff or something,
+ Reverb.
Then play a chord, nice background chord.
On this thought, I tried spliting my keyboard...etc
so I could play the overtone with my other hand, and
welp, it just didn't work, I don't know why.
What's the secret there, do overtones Have to have
exactly the same envelop and Attack time, or otherwise
your ear pick it up as a seperate chord?
'Cause that is what was happenning.
The only useable overtones I've found are IV V (Dominant
and Subdominant, interestingly).
V is used especially, IV has a discordant sound.
I see in some song's they use the same chord progression
but with different overtones to give the different
parts a different feel.
More theory would be great.
Cheers,
- BJT.
I noticed the use of overtones really makes
Synth Pad's sound lush.
E.g. a common one is adding an overtone of a 5'th -
this is done by detuning an accompanying wave
up 7 semitones, make sure the accompanying wave
is not too loud, add some LFO's on the Cuttoff or something,
+ Reverb.
Then play a chord, nice background chord.
On this thought, I tried spliting my keyboard...etc
so I could play the overtone with my other hand, and
welp, it just didn't work, I don't know why.
What's the secret there, do overtones Have to have
exactly the same envelop and Attack time, or otherwise
your ear pick it up as a seperate chord?
'Cause that is what was happenning.
The only useable overtones I've found are IV V (Dominant
and Subdominant, interestingly).
V is used especially, IV has a discordant sound.
I see in some song's they use the same chord progression
but with different overtones to give the different
parts a different feel.
More theory would be great.
Cheers,
- BJT.
Message 2/3 30-Mar-01 @ 05:21 AM - RE: Use of Overtones in Pad's
BJT
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And for Venga boy fun, use overtones of a III.
Have people had any success with other overtones, ie 13'th and 9ths,
they sound unusuable.
Is their a synth that allows you to change the overtone via keyboard
(using keyboard split) whilst playing ?
What about using more than two overtones?
Have people had any success with other overtones, ie 13'th and 9ths,
they sound unusuable.
Is their a synth that allows you to change the overtone via keyboard
(using keyboard split) whilst playing ?
What about using more than two overtones?
Message 3/3 30-Mar-01 @ 06:08 PM - RE: Use of Overtones in Pad's
there are several ways of approaching this. the first and easiest is by retuning an OSC and then gently blending it in to give you the right amoount of overtones to create the sound you want. If you have a little more powerful piece, you can use that detuned OSC to create a touch of FM in one of your primary OSCs and that can also give some nice tones. Most folks use fifths because they tend to keep the series' in harmony, but you can also get some really gnarly dissonant stuff via similar methods using all kinds of different overtones, like #4, m3, even M3. you could alos sort of fake it by using a second layer, using the same channel, and ajdusting the volume, and thickness of the sound (number of OSC's, filter settings, etc.) then blending the layers to create the desired tone. Diffderent envelopes certainly work nicely in the layer scheme to bring about more complexly evolving tones. Hope this gives you some ideas.
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