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Original Message 1/29 07-Apr-01 @ 02:09 PM - what mixer should i buy?
im trying to decide what mixer to buy and i hope you can help me out. i want to have at least 8 channels, at least three effect loops and three mic amps and 3band eq with mid sweep. what alternatives are there and in what price range? any help would be much appreciated.
by the way, why are the behringer mixers so cheap? do they suck or are they just cheap?
kef
Message 3/29 08-Apr-01 @ 12:00 AM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
you should buy more channels than you need right now...odds are youll expand at some point and then youll have to buy another mixer. plan ahead.
as for options..youre on the net..do some research
Message 4/29 08-Apr-01 @ 01:26 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
Message 5/29 08-Apr-01 @ 01:59 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
I found on the mackie homepage that the 1202 VLZ has "Extra ALT 3-4 stereo bus for submixes, separate recording, monitor and 'mix minus' feeds". What does that mean?
Maybe some of you have got a 1202 VLZ? What do you think of it?
thanks for your previous answers and sorry for not knowing anything
kef
Message 6/29 09-Apr-01 @ 02:10 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
http://www.allen-heath.com/product/prdfrm.htm
Message 7/29 09-Apr-01 @ 10:59 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
;)
MikeC
Message 8/29 10-Apr-01 @ 12:59 AM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
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Message 9/29 10-Apr-01 @ 12:47 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
i love my Promix01 which is now dirt cheap.
Message 10/29 10-Apr-01 @ 02:57 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
-Craig
Message 11/29 10-Apr-01 @ 04:06 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
The roland vm3100 v mixing station is 24 bit and half the price. Granted you have fewer channels and effects, but how can yamaha say they have premier sound when they are working in 20 bit?
Message 12/29 10-Apr-01 @ 07:36 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
Message 13/29 10-Apr-01 @ 10:16 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
16-bit numbers give values from 0-65535 (actually usually read as -32768 to 32767 for samples, but that's irrelevant). Every time you add another bit to the number size, the total range doubles. A 17-bit number gives 0-131071, an 18-bit number gives 0-262143, and so on.
The final output of your music will be 16-bit. The reason that processors work in higher bit ranges is because if you restrict your calculations to 16-bit then your sounds are very likely to clip before you get the final result. So you have to scale everything down before you calculate and then go back up again after you've got the answer, thus losing some resolution.
It's much better to leave the original values as they are, do the calculation and then scale down to 16-bit.
The fact is that the difference between 20-bit and 24-bit isn't really a great deal as both ranges give a sizable enough value for you not to really lose too much resolution in the calculations.
The more the merrier of course, but in this case, 20-bit is easily enough, presuming they've done the corresponding maths functions (there are many different ways to do the same thing) so that the values don't exceed the 20-bit range (which of course they must have).
In summary...don't listen to numbers. A bigger number does not equal better performance in all (most?) cases.
And the O1V's are great.
MikeC
Message 14/29 11-Apr-01 @ 08:30 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
EQ: 4-band 44-bit fully parametric EQs vs 3-band EQs in the Roland (website didn't say if all bands were fully parametric or not)
Compression: 22 full-blown dynamics processors vs. 2 compressors, plus you could configure your FX processors as 2 more for a total of 4
Mic Pre's: 16 on the 01V vs. 2 on the VM-3100
Some other things I couldn't find info on: Motorized faders, routing, channel swapping, dedicated controls for the EQ.. The screen looks bigger on the Yamaha. Not to mention that Yamaha consoles like the 03D and 02R are standards in studios everywhere while Roland consoles are.. umm.. well, nowhere.
Granted the Roland is a few hundred less, and it's a good competitor to the Tascam TMD-1000, and the pro is in a price segment that is somewhere between the Tascam and the 01V, but the claim that because it's 24 bit vs 20 bit that the 01V is somehow inferior is ludicrous.
-Craig
Message 15/29 11-Apr-01 @ 10:33 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
Message 16/29 14-Apr-01 @ 05:48 AM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
hey what is 1.0 times 1.0 a few billion times? it isnt 1.0 dont you love computers? round off error, i love you
Message 17/29 15-Apr-01 @ 01:02 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
Message 18/29 16-Apr-01 @ 08:49 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
Message 19/29 16-Apr-01 @ 09:10 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
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Message 21/29 17-Apr-01 @ 08:03 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
Message 22/29 17-Apr-01 @ 09:18 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
or ignoring it's virtues.I'd still unquestionably recommend an 01v over a promix but for someone without the money the promix is still a good and useful mixer.Personally I much prefer analogue mixing.
Message 23/29 17-Apr-01 @ 09:57 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
until you start doing automation on a digital
desk, from realtime volume fades to modulating fx
and eq´s in realtime, not even a 1.000.000$
analogue desk like Neve can do that!
trust me, i was lucky enough to work with those
too...
Message 24/29 17-Apr-01 @ 11:11 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
Message 25/29 17-Apr-01 @ 11:23 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
but i DID get to work with one, and on the
mixdown it was me runing around turning all the knobs and aux sends to get "special" effects
Message 26/29 17-Apr-01 @ 11:25 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
the desk is my instrument
Message 27/29 26-Apr-01 @ 10:29 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
Ape
Message 28/29 27-Apr-01 @ 02:30 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
-Craig
Message 29/29 27-Apr-01 @ 08:35 PM - RE: what mixer should i buy?
Anyway, the 01v - just good vfm really in a nice compact space. I`m not blown away by any aspect of it bar its use as a midi controller but its just nice all round really, doesn`t put a foot wrong in any area bar the midi spec of the efx. I
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