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Subject: Makin' Some Drum samples jazzy
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Original Message 1/9 16-Jun-01 @ 05:53 AM - Makin' Some Drum samples jazzy
john.walsh
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I'm tring to achieve a certain sort of sound with my sampler, but can't seem to get it right.
It's a soft rolling snare roll effect, with soft "punch-mushy" snares and rushing (but undefined) ride-cymbals'o'doom . It's hard to describe , but it's to be used on this slow,(dare i say trip-hop) song i'm trying to do. ( No dogdy tom riffs to be used at all)
I don't know who to compare the sound to it to.
In my mind it sounds very much like laid back lounge, smokey club, soft sultry singin of some fine mistress with double bass and drums accompaniemnt. (of course maybe i have been overdoing it with the mind expanding drugs)
Please don't tell me i actually have to go out of my comfy chair and leave my sampler to get out, get some exercise and to make friends with a drummer and sample him.
Any ideas, both in programming and in sample manufacture ?
Message 2/9 17-Jun-01 @ 04:45 PM - RE: Makin' Some Drum samples jazzy
well the snare-roll you speak of could be a brush stroke, jazz drummers use abrush and just s troke away ay the snare skin in circles emphasising beats with a harder push and occaisional beat-strokes - playing a heavey ride like say a zildjian bronze ride etc is again similar, if you play the ride with the stick shaft on the ride edge as opposed to tapping the ride with the stick tip, you can get the cymbel to start resonating and without sounding actual ride 'strikes' (where you HEAR the stick tip striking the ride) you can cause the ride cymbel to continualy change it's emphasis; like a sort of continual dark thundery rolling ride sound with louder & softer bits
so, to acheive that (whilst i've never tried it) i'd say first you need to make the ride sample so that it can be continualy retriggered without cutting off the previous note then set the tone right with pitch & filter, then set velocity to enevelope decay and try that... the snare would be harder, as I don't really know what you mean... but if it IS brush strokes as I'm guessing on, then you need some appropriate samples of brush stroke rhythms. The big proglem with that is the strokes themselves are circled in time with the track (according to the drummers choosen timeing), so qhuite how one would alter that (besides timestretch) from a given snare-brush 'feel' in a given sample; i dunno.
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Message 3/9 18-Jun-01 @ 06:06 PM - RE: Makin' Some Drum samples jazzy
Try applying some attack on the snare. It will soften your snare sound giving it almost a "brushy" feel. I got very good result with this tech. especially when programming fills and rolls.
Hope this helps.
Message 4/9 18-Jun-01 @ 09:46 PM - RE: Makin' Some Drum samples jazzy
8life8
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the mpc2kXl r brillinat for this kind of stuff, just set the fader to attack (like rhea pointed out) layer it with a cymbal sound (like k pointed out) (u have up to 3 layers per sound) and use the note repeat button along with the velocity sensitif pads to make the roll, u could assign the filter of the cymbal or pitch to velocity to give the roll more of a move/feel .. but hell I don't expect u to go out and spend a few G's on a mpc to do this .. just bragin I guess .. cos I have one.. hehe ha .. I guess only mpc users find that funny ..
Message 5/9 18-Jun-01 @ 11:20 PM - RE: Makin' Some Drum samples jazzy
it's all about the empee for drumz.
Message 6/9 20-Jun-01 @ 07:32 PM - RE: Makin' Some Drum samples jazzy
ah-ha! so, can anyone tell me how to get that ride-with-no-klick sound?
iīm trying to get that wall of noise that you hear in many dīnīb tunes nowadays, but i always get that loud click at the beginig of each ride hit...
tnx!
Message 7/9 20-Jun-01 @ 08:23 PM - RE: Makin' Some Drum samples jazzy
you maybe could go cratedigging for some records with Jack DeJohnette on 'em.
slide up the sample start so you miss the strike. or use compression (fast attack/fast release) to soften the initial transient. but like k said, a jazz drummer hits the ride differently when playing like that.
Message 8/9 21-Jun-01 @ 04:29 PM - RE: Makin' Some Drum samples jazzy
Again, increase the attack on the ride cymbal. Just enough to get rid of the click. Or as damaballah said set your compressor to fast attack/fast release.
Message 9/9 22-Jun-01 @ 02:54 PM - RE: Makin' Some Drum samples jazzy
noah
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like others said, mess with the attack and decay and sustain. adding a bit of sustain can "mush" things up pleasantly and realize that you can make multiple versions of the same snare in case you want a "whack" somtimes--noah
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