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Original Message 1/60             30-Jun-01  @  05:48 AM   -   RTFM

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Nice name for a track :P Check it out please. My first DnB. I tried to do one about a year ago...went the way of the recycle bin. I have to thank Influx, Infrasound, and Nobody (may humanity rest in peace) for influencing me to like this stuff. Or maybe I should shoot them.



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Message 2/60             30-Jun-01  @  07:57 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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nice track, sitar..well done. Interesting drums...I think the track really gets exciting at around 2:10 with that phased stab and pad...all in all, excellent job, especially seeing as this particular type of tune (dnb) seems to be a departure from your usual style (well, at least judging by the other tunes in your track list)...nice- keep it up man! cheers....



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Message 3/60             30-Jun-01  @  04:07 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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You be the one who amuses self. Correct? We will judge your offering shortly. In meantime, never underestimate value of shooting they who influence you. Serious.



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Message 4/60             30-Jun-01  @  04:10 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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Agog, thanks. I checked Drum 'n' Bass and Techno as genres in my profile. One morning I woke up and realized that the genres are supposed to indicate what one writes, not just what one likes to listen to. Why does life have to be so complicated? So on the one hand it's a departure, on the other it's what I'm supposed to be doing. Nice I'm finally getting around to it. So thanks. I'll try to keep it up.



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Message 5/60             30-Jun-01  @  04:13 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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Guards of Magog. The nerve of people that walk around and influence others. I agree. Nice to find like-minded people.



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Message 6/60             01-Jul-01  @  12:20 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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knives into foreheads



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Message 7/60             01-Jul-01  @  12:21 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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always causes a quick death



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Message 8/60             01-Jul-01  @  12:21 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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more dead humans! more!



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Message 9/60             01-Jul-01  @  03:36 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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I knew my tunes would someday inspire.



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Message 10/60             01-Jul-01  @  06:10 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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well..I cant stream but I downloaded it.

listening right now. good sound quality, man...cept the blippy kick that comes in sounds a little loud and I cant hear whats in the background

kick is a little busy (hehe and your damn bassline sounds like my "your love" mix" ) just kiddin

well...as for the main bassline...if you wanted this to really move it might be good to have a little more active B-line, and have the main drums a little more sparse. Rattling snares is one thing, but kicks that do too much at that tempo sound busy

breakdown right now...comin back in...damn at first I thought I was listening to Rob Playford's "The Shadow" (AWESOME track by the way you should check it out...I like the Process Mix best)

well...basically..it just doesnt seem to GO...not that its horribly redundant but it seems to stay sorta stagnant. Neat sounds, although the main Bline could be made a LOT harder...

even layering it...doing one version highpassed real squelchy and distorted, and then a sub underneath...(or did you do that already? )

good mix though and not bad for a "first attempt" (like Im some sort of DnB expert!)



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Message 11/60             01-Jul-01  @  07:14 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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Sitar - you know, I like to bellydance..with or without the finger cymbals. Your tune made me do just that - and the breaks are cool as they allowed me to take a breather (it is indeed a very physically challenging dance  .. DnB has always been the rhythmic revitalization of Arabic/Mediterranean grooves and any electronic noise addition is the outfit of the mood it sets. I like your personal approach to combining the old with the new-very brave and with nice overall results! Technically speaking, any details are unecessary! And, yes, there should be a new category called "Sitar Flava"...hehe!
Also, for some reason I hear your music behind action scenes...hmmm!



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Message 12/60             01-Jul-01  @  11:26 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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Thanks for listening gents. I'm gonna try the highpass layering Influx. The kick I'm not sure about. Good ideas. I recorded all the drums into one channel of audio from midi for the sake of expediency and couldn't then treat the kick properly in the mix. The low frequencies are all off there. The piece is actually a couple minutes longer. The interlude is more played out with some drums coming in. Well thanks. It's a start I think and I feel good about it.

Maybe I should mix at bellydancing clubs. Obvious perks there  



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Message 13/60             01-Jul-01  @  05:13 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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there are bellydancing clubs???

why wasnt i told?



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Message 14/60             01-Jul-01  @  07:11 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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sitar...egrus mentioned one thing that I didnt...

your style. you have a "sound" of your own (well, as much as that is possible in an environment oversaturated with "artists") which is impressive. You dont sound like youre emulating anyone (hehe 'cept orbital) which is commendable

I hope I didnt sound too critical cuz I wasnt bein so



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Message 15/60             01-Jul-01  @  07:25 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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Didn't take it like that Influx. Your suggestions are goodies and appreciated. I'm happy that I'm starting to do tracks after learning what I could in 2 years but have lots more to learn. Was just now reading through some of the DT Tips and Tricks. Nice when it's slow at work   I forgot to mention that at some point I was afraid that after listening to your tracks several times, I inadvertantly started this piece with a part of one of your basslines that might've been going through my head somewhere. Didn't think so but I should have thrown your cd in to listen.

I don't sound like I'm emulating anyone. Blame it on ignorance.



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Message 16/60             01-Jul-01  @  09:08 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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haha..yeah..the background synth in RTFM sounds a little like the bass I did for roller8

but then again..jeez..thats like saying "hey you used the same words I used in a sentence!"

one word comes to mind when I think of you and your work and comments:

class.

keep it up. maybe we'll meet some day and Ill give you some drum tips (apparently you think I could show you a thing or two;))



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Message 17/60             01-Jul-01  @  09:58 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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Yea your drums are killer. Class? I'll have to remember to zip up my fly, tuck in my shirt, shave, try not to drool, and wear matching socks when I go out into public if I want to live up to that image.

When I actually wear socks that is.



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Message 18/60             01-Jul-01  @  09:59 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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jesus man get to work!



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Message 19/60             02-Jul-01  @  04:37 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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Sitar,

really cool drums. The bassline could be a little fuller but that's it. Nice track!



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Message 20/60             02-Jul-01  @  10:21 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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Sounds kinda angry. I really like the drum sounds you chose. You do actually have lots of room for a sub bass. That could become the consistent groove whilst you tweak the life right out fo the existing Bline... but what do I know? Very cool track!



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Message 21/60             02-Jul-01  @  11:06 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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I'm angry that I have to try to write drum n bass tunes. That's what the song's about. Well it sounds like more bass is needed and maybe less on the kick. Actually I'm thinking of going crazy with the kick though.



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Message 22/60             02-Jul-01  @  11:34 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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sitar...not that what other people do has anything to do with it except that..well..DnB has been around long enough, and Ive personally heard enough to know what works well, and its usually a little more sparse in the kick section

well, unless youre goin for the squarepusher/aphex twin type shit, but THEN youd be better off using a more poppy, less bass kick

not sayin youd want to do the ol 2 step thing, but dunno...goin too nuts with the kick can detract rather than add

as for angry..well...when you start to sound like me then youll sound angry. or at least BE angry and maybe sound a little miffed



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Message 23/60             02-Jul-01  @  11:41 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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lol  



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Message 24/60             03-Jul-01  @  01:09 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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That's it. Rain on my parade why don't ya.



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Message 25/60             03-Jul-01  @  01:43 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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why would a happy go lucky buddhist like yourself want to sound angry anyway;)



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Message 26/60             03-Jul-01  @  02:57 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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Trying to see how the world looks through your eyes.

Nailed ya! :P

Actually I get real angry sometimes. The world tends to piss me off on occassion.



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Message 27/60             03-Jul-01  @  06:59 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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whereas I am perpetually pissed

hows that for alliteration?



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Message 28/60             03-Jul-01  @  09:42 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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Gonna go download and enjoy(!) in a bit Sitar.. I'm just in a happy shiny mood at the mo, so if this looks like a thread-hijack, its only for a single post (honest!)

Basically, i got a completely random-out-of-the-blue email from Natalie, the vocalist on Lounge and Deep Inside!!! I thought we'd completely lost touch, but she'd stumbled across our website and mailed us just like that!!  

Marc_D



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Message 29/60             03-Jul-01  @  02:47 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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That's strange cuz Natalie's one who's hair color you didn't mention. I can hear The Twilight Zone music in the backround.



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Message 30/60             03-Jul-01  @  03:10 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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And another thing. You're in a happy shiny mood so naturally you don't want to listen to one of my tracks which will of course ruin your day. Sheesh what I have to put up with around here  



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Message 31/60             03-Jul-01  @  04:41 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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Hello... at the back are you awake there..?!
Marc of DARKSTATE??  

Being happy because the Prodigal daughter is returning to the fold, has nothing to do with my ability to assimilate and appreciate the potentially depressing but impressing music you've produced Sit, me old china!! ;o)

Nat has dark brown hair I seem to remember...

BTW got ALL the pix scanned in now, so as soon as the website goes live, you'll see 'em! I could post 'em here but that's a bit too high-profile/ego for us..

Marc_D

p.s. Unless others would like to put pix of them up too  



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Message 32/60             03-Jul-01  @  05:10 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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[image file]


ok. yer turn.



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Message 33/60             03-Jul-01  @  05:24 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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Hmmmm. Not exactly how I pictured any of the dARKSTATe vocalists.

Well I'm glad she's back then Marc.



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Message 34/60             03-Jul-01  @  05:41 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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[image file]


the BPS groupies on
'holiday'


no, that's a 'don't be shy I'll put up mine you put
up yours' thang.

I didn't mean to imply that the dARKSTATe
vocalists looked like some 60s pro wrestler
sitting in an Ozark outhouse! That'd be just
wrong!

that's a hell of a 'vocal booth' I've got, huh?



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Message 35/60             03-Jul-01  @  06:18 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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It's the perfect recording setup for the latest genre....Out House.



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Message 36/60             03-Jul-01  @  10:17 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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aarrggghhhh!



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Message 37/60             03-Jul-01  @  10:24 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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oh, and sitar..Im actually listening again! Pretty cool. still copied me you fucker



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Message 38/60             03-Jul-01  @  11:25 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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Imitation is the biggest form of flattery :P



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Message 39/60             03-Jul-01  @  11:35 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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flatuation is the biggest form of imagery



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Message 40/60             04-Jul-01  @  03:10 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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oh poo



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Message 41/60             04-Jul-01  @  03:19 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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Now who's copying who?

Damballah, don't bring whozy watzus back.



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Message 42/60             04-Jul-01  @  06:04 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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yeah, no poopy talk here. I started it but lets not perpetuate that shitty situation, ok?



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Message 43/60             04-Jul-01  @  11:44 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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Hmmm.. I think I'll leave the pix to the website and the CD.. ;)

But that vocal booth truely rules the world! Do they sell 'em on eBay??

 

Marc_D



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Message 44/60             04-Jul-01  @  05:55 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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someone's selling a urinal on ebay claiming it's been used by David Bowie and a laundry list of famous rock musicians. I think I'll not bid on that one.



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Message 45/60             04-Jul-01  @  07:46 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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yeah, I'll 'pass' too.

it would be a hoot to get one of those 'quiet room' portable vocal booths and mod it up with old barnwood on the outside and a crescent moon cutout in the door. heh heh.



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Message 46/60             05-Jul-01  @  09:24 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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And just think of the real photo opportunities on that one...

;)

*sigh* no more typing for me for a while, I go in for surgery on my hand this afternoon - (still has glass trapped inside it..)



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Message 47/60             05-Jul-01  @  03:15 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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good luck with that, Marc



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Message 48/60             05-Jul-01  @  03:36 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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Yes. Good luck Marc.



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Message 49/60             06-Jul-01  @  08:38 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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Cheers guys!!

I'm back.. Docs cut me open under local, couldn't find the glass visually, brought in an x-ray camera, found the bugger but still couldn't get to it.. "Too deep" and "Close to the bone".. sewed me back up, now I have a shit-painful left hand (again) and enough pain killers to knock out a horse!!!

Funny, had a dream about giggin' last night - we didn't do very well tho'.. think its a sign!!

Marc_D



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Message 50/60             06-Jul-01  @  06:14 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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sorry bout that. if you haven't heard anything else 'good' about it, i remember damballah saying he had a bunch of glass in his arm in a few years that eventually came up all nice and polished   when it comes up i'll post a scan of my 1/2" kidney stone for you.

really i need to post a track.. (learning logic, so no.)



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Message 51/60             06-Jul-01  @  07:40 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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Yes Xoxos, post some tracks  

Marc, so what is their next step then?



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Message 52/60             06-Jul-01  @  09:28 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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yeah...curious to see what youve been up to, R



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Message 53/60             06-Jul-01  @  11:52 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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12 the 11



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Message 54/60             07-Jul-01  @  12:36 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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Can't do anything.. I live with the glass inside me..



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Message 55/60             07-Jul-01  @  12:44 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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hey, i lived with glass inside my knee for a month once, doctors didnt notice it(!), and then it floated up one day.

no worries mate, you were lucky considering the shape the car is in...get well!



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Message 56/60             07-Jul-01  @  12:55 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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wanna trade your glass for my titanium plates and pins?



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Message 57/60             07-Jul-01  @  11:34 PM   -   RE: RTFM

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Sheesh.. I ain't tradin'anythin' if these drugs do what they say on the tin!!!

Of coz.. life ain't gonna deal me that so....

tunes |tunEs tune



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Message 58/60             08-Jul-01  @  03:22 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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BTW Marc, in case you're wondering the cd hasn't arrived yet. I'll let you know as soon as it does. Snail mail.



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Message 59/60             08-Jul-01  @  03:57 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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wtf? he gets one and I dont?



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Message 60/60             08-Jul-01  @  11:28 AM   -   RE: RTFM

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Its the Pressure Drop promo I mailed Sitar Influx.. the Darkstate CDs haven't gone out to anyone yet.. ;|

Still waiting for the artwork (*cough cough* - as the designer is sitting right next to me!) before it goes to the duplicators...

Marc_D



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