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Original Message 1/39 17-Sep-01 @ 04:14 AM - It never stops
peace to you all
Yonce
Message 2/39 17-Sep-01 @ 04:48 AM - RE: It never stops
Message 3/39 17-Sep-01 @ 05:02 AM - RE: It never stops
take a lil break from hearing the song for a wile and if you can sit back and say, hell yeah she's the one! hopefully shes the one, otherwise there's always remixes.
what sucks is when you ride a song to long, and it becomes over wieght. but still usually if you sit back and not listen to the tune for a wile you can pick up on that too when hearing it again.
then just prioritize and drop the excess.
hope i was some what of a help.
nice track by the way.
Message 4/39 17-Sep-01 @ 03:57 PM - RE: It never stops
Message 5/39 17-Sep-01 @ 04:24 PM - RE: It never stops
gonna try to make it 3 days from start to finish. work on the arrangement get it all down then take it to the studio to be mixed. I think Ive decided to give up on the home engineering part. I have friends that can make it sound that much better than I can.
I tend to try to MIX while Im WRITING and its become quite clear that doing so makes it take that much longer.
but...you could rework the same song for...well...forever and never have it done, but personally Ive finally gotten to the point when I feel like "I dont need or want to add anymore to this song" and I just let it go.
Message 6/39 17-Sep-01 @ 04:28 PM - RE: It never stops
Write the music..
Mix the track..
Master that sucker..
Then turn your back...
Marc_D
Message 7/39 17-Sep-01 @ 06:35 PM - RE: It never stops
Id be there, but...
Message 8/39 17-Sep-01 @ 09:36 PM - RE: It never stops
I dunno if you should get other people to mix your track... b/c the whole purpose of mixing is to mix... This is where half of your creativity lies, in effects and so on... I might think you would want to get someone to master a track for ya, but mixing is a key signature for tones and sounds for an artist.
Message 9/39 17-Sep-01 @ 10:43 PM - RE: It never stops
less than half Id guess. Thing is...I have access to three VERY nice studios. I would be able to sit in on the session. It wouldnt be just me handing them audio and saying "here mix this"
and on top of that..when i tracked stuff I would track the FX that I absolutely had to have.
I think I have it figgered out tho
Message 10/39 17-Sep-01 @ 11:20 PM - RE: It never stops
though, it might happen that they have all the gear they need, what with being in the scene for ages and all...
Message 11/39 17-Sep-01 @ 11:50 PM - RE: It never stops
Once the verse/chorus has cycled through a few times and I've inverted it to death, then I usually just end it on an extended chorus, either fade-out or abruptly depending on what suits the mood.
Message 12/39 18-Sep-01 @ 10:51 AM - RE: It never stops
(grumbles) Show off!! ;)
Mix it yerself! You're a dirty lad, stay dirty, keep yer hands dirty.. don't wash!
Marc_D
Message 13/39 18-Sep-01 @ 08:29 PM - RE: It never stops
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Message 17/39 19-Sep-01 @ 05:08 PM - RE: It never stops
-M-
Message 18/39 19-Sep-01 @ 06:45 PM - RE: It never stops
too ;)
Message 19/39 19-Sep-01 @ 08:26 PM - RE: It never stops
no money for monitors? come on. Alesis M1s for $350?
Message 20/39 20-Sep-01 @ 01:17 AM - RE: It never stops
Ape
Message 21/39 20-Sep-01 @ 04:38 PM - RE: It never stops
Message 22/39 20-Sep-01 @ 04:45 PM - RE: It never stops
Message 23/39 20-Sep-01 @ 05:15 PM - RE: It never stops
me thinks that pongoid has a new mantra ;)
Message 24/39 20-Sep-01 @ 05:17 PM - RE: It never stops
Mixing requires playing the tune thru for every single track to make the neccessary adjustments. If there are 20 tracks in a 5 min. tune, this means at least 1 hour and 45 minutes for panning adjustments (20 X 5 min.), another 1 hour and 45 minutes for volume adjustments, and sometimes even more time for realtime eq adjustments in programs like Cubase.
And that's just hands-on time...It takes even more time to think about, analyze, and then practice what you're doing before you do it. If I don't give myself at least 8-9 hours to mix down a 5 minute tune then I feel that I'm doing it a disservice
Message 25/39 20-Sep-01 @ 05:59 PM - RE: It never stops
Message 26/39 20-Sep-01 @ 07:48 PM - RE: It never stops
what..you listen to every track INDIVIDUALLY? holy anal retentives batman!!!
sensoniq..got an offering for you. A song is a combination of parts, right? those parts have to work together right? so mix TOGETHER. not sayin a solo here and there to check fine tuning but...wow
Message 27/39 20-Sep-01 @ 10:35 PM Edit: 20-Sep-01 | 10:37 PM - RE: It never stops
anyway, i LOVE mixing, even more that the rest of the process. i even do it for other people. eq-ing, compressing, setting the reverbs and the rest...mmmm... especialy if you have acces to nice gear, its a real pleasure.
Message 28/39 20-Sep-01 @ 10:53 PM - RE: It never stops
damballah do you have a link to that mantra thingy. that's korg right?
Message 29/39 21-Sep-01 @ 04:32 AM - RE: It never stops
In other words, since I am not an octopus with dozens of arms I do one thing at a time: play the song all the way thru to affect track 1 panning, then play it all the way thru again to affect track 1 volume, then play it thru again for track 2 panning, thru again for track 2 volume, etc. etc.
Don't you all focus on one mix adjustment at a time per play too, or are there a few octopi in the midst?
Message 30/39 21-Sep-01 @ 04:58 AM - RE: It never stops
I have a body of work that's immense, and the stuff I've recorded is only a tenth of the stuff I've composed. Most of it gets discarded. That's how you grow. You don't try to revolutionize the world with every piece. You practice getting the basics right, and do studies in sound constantly, and each piece is an evolution; and once in a while if you're lucky, you have a breakthrough, where you grow in a leap. Very rarely does one land precisely on their feet, and the breakthrough comes out perfectly, rather that it teaches you something radical, that soon becomes another basic for you to draw upon for your subsequent creations.
You grow by trying new things, not just sitting on the same thing over and over. If you're not changing something each time you mess with a piece, it's done and either you record it and move on, or you chuck it and move on. Either way, you move on. When your piece if ready, hopefully you'll notice some new aspect each time you listen to it. If you listen to the piece after it's recorded ten times in a row, and it still sounds good, then it's good. If not, then it's just a lesson. Maybe this should be in the theory section.
Ape
Message 31/39 21-Sep-01 @ 10:36 AM - RE: It never stops
Message 32/39 21-Sep-01 @ 01:51 PM - RE: It never stops
Message 33/39 21-Sep-01 @ 04:42 PM - RE: It never stops
NO! ABSOLUTELY NOT!
It's about establishing relationships between things. You can do this all at once or you can do it "foundation up". If you have, let's say, 16 tracks you're dealing with, it shouldn't take you 16 passes to get the volumes worked out, then another 16 for panning, then another 16 for eq, 16 for dynamics, on and on.
Message 34/39 21-Sep-01 @ 06:13 PM - RE: It never stops
yes, and yes.
pe-rson-all-y, it is a pleasure to wallow in my creation. i've whipped tracks out in 24 minutes and not given an ass of thought to the mix (beyond actually raising the fader) the mix can be chaos abnd you add parts to it in that light. and i've spent huge amounts of time just listening to one sound and imagining that far-off headspace where the listener isolates it thru strange fixation.
and then sometimes it doesn't sound right w/o all the masking and mixing.
it's my bedroom, and i can do what i like maybe i'm not mixing a song, but putting experiences into myself for my duty futurewise.
d - could see an end to my current incarnation soon. i promise you i'll make you glad you did it. i know, maybe you don't care but if you do, it's only a matter of the right time. i gotta be meeeee.
are you all just doing this so i'll write something? wanna build a clubhouse for when we're old and we can make secret pacts guys?
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