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Original Message 1/34 01-Feb-02 @ 05:19 AM - making goa

tedd

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what synth would be good for creating goa/psy trance. i need help getting started producing goa trance.email me peace, Trench

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Message 2/34 01-Feb-02 @ 11:16 AM - RE: making goa

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E-mail you? How? I guess any analoge / VA synth would contribute but you really ought to specify your budget... Virus/Nova/SH101/JP's... there's so much you can choose from but if this would be your first you might want to consider multiple parts / have you a sequencer? etc. Maybe you want to start off with s/w....

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Message 3/34 01-Feb-02 @ 06:46 PM - RE: making goa

tedd

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all i have is my computer.....
when u talk about virus do u mean the virus kb?
my email is phrozensolid@home.com

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Message 4/34 01-Feb-02 @ 10:02 PM - RE: making goa

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email you and just hand it to you? why not do some research?

fuck the virus. if youve got a good computer go to the above link. softsynths galore. and VERY affordable

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Message 5/34 10-Feb-02 @ 02:02 AM - RE: making goa

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Get Reason and a slaming computer.

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Message 6/34 10-Feb-02 @ 06:39 PM - RE: making goa

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Reason? Fuck that piece of garbage. Reaktor!!!, but then again...maybe not. Goa trance is shite anyhow, and deserves the shite sounds most use. Get some real dynamics. There's more to life than trance.

Ape

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Message 7/34 25-Feb-02 @ 06:04 PM - RE: making goa

david G

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get a cool synth.

its more inspiring playing a keyboard than a mouse...

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Message 8/34 26-Feb-02 @ 06:13 AM - RE: making goa

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Reaktor is definitley good - but if you want lots
of power and hands on experience. Nord Lead
2 all the way.

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Message 9/34 26-Feb-02 @ 11:31 PM - RE: making goa

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natives FM7 would be great methinks, VERY good log drums on it too

- sci-fi length pads, leads, trance chops etc..

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Message 10/34 28-Feb-02 @ 02:14 PM - RE: making goa

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I'll agree..

Reason is cool if you're just messing around, or if you use the Rex player ALOT. Right now im just finding that it makes a decent sample player..ive got drum samples loaded into the REdrum, and oodles of samples in the NN19...If you could get Reason, some samples, and a hardware synth..you could rewire reason into cubase and use it with hardware..that woud seem pretty cool..

Reaktor is really cool on the softsynth side as well..if you're a newbie, that may daunt you though..

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Message 11/34 28-Feb-02 @ 05:33 PM - RE: making goa

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but reason is the don for drums with VST (on vst channels on the vst mixer) - Reason/VST combi rewired with FM7 as additional VSTi & all sequenced by VST sequencer would be a DREAM setup for trance.

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Message 12/34 28-Feb-02 @ 06:18 PM - RE: making goa

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That's what i keep telling my downstair neibghor.

at this point your either thick or completely naive to go hardware (or nuts; but that's another category).

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Message 13/34 28-Feb-02 @ 08:11 PM - RE: making goa

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yeaaaah maaan, hardware relly makes me goa!

erm...i�ll get me coat then...

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Message 14/34 01-Mar-02 @ 04:22 PM - RE: making goa

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nice big analog poly

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Message 15/34 01-Mar-02 @ 06:20 PM - RE: making goa

bedwyr

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2nd for fm7, most of the presets are trancy.

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Message 16/34 03-Mar-02 @ 12:44 AM - RE: making goa

Brett B

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"Reason good for just messin around" ha haha....

sounds like that's all you did with it then.
Reaktor is cool, but I can make shit jump out of the mix and punch you in the gut using Reason. It's a tool and thus requires getting skilled with it! You don't mix in it like a software app. if you treat it like hardware there isn't anything I can't do with it.

K is right, the drums rock, but no velocity layering on the Redrum or the NN19 sampler.But it does respond well to velocity and tonal modualtion.

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Message 17/34 03-Mar-02 @ 01:08 PM - RE: making goa

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yeah for dance i dont care much about layering, but you could compliment REASON (rewired) for drums, with a freeware plugin sample player for any layered special drums/sounds (RMF & 'Shiny Sampler' is 2 off the top of my head that each does 4 layers. Or, add a multi-in rack and a hardware smapler or use a dedicated s/w sampler... haven't investigated nn19 for layering yet...

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Message 18/34 05-Mar-02 @ 05:51 AM - RE: making goa

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I still need to get the upgrade to cubase 5, but I am concerned with the sound quality, as Reason has it's own no over protection that compresses the output and this is why I mix down in it. My Reason mixes are much tighter than any of the tracks i did in Cubase and I am afraid that using the two might yeild a final product i may not like. For this I can always arrange tracks in Cubase with Rewire and external gear ,then track them to audio in Cubase and then load them into a NN19 for final mixdown through the reason mixer.

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Message 19/34 05-Mar-02 @ 05:56 AM - RE: making goa

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by the way what are some goa artists. I have never really focused on it and would like to hear some examples that define the style. I have tracks with middle eastern sounds like Lexicon Ave "Midnight on W.37th ST." But I like the sound but don't really have any examples to listen too here at my house. I downloaded a mix set, but it really was just hard trance mixed with some eastern style tracks, but not indian. I want to learn more abour the 7 tone scales, I think the tabla is what it was called? I may be off, that is why i am asking.

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Message 20/34 05-Mar-02 @ 09:00 AM - RE: making goa

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tablas are drums, mate.

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Message 21/34 05-Mar-02 @ 04:21 PM - RE: making goa

nothingnewhere

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raga? or some other indian word like that.

wheres sitar?

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Message 22/34 06-Mar-02 @ 01:38 AM - RE: making goa

bedwyr

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orbital orbital orbital

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Message 23/34 06-Mar-02 @ 04:39 PM - RE: making goa

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i think ragas are basic traditional melodies in indian classical music, around which the soloist (on sitar, santoor, flute or whatever) improvises, getting back to the main theme now and then.

its similar to jazz in some extent, but indian music is way cooler, i love it. go buy some hariprasad chaurasia tapes, this guy makes his flute really sing (i know this sounds boring on this site...).

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Message 24/34 06-Mar-02 @ 05:20 PM - RE: making goa

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http://www.goagil.com/chart.html

http://goatrance.free.fr/links/artists.htm

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Message 25/34 07-Mar-02 @ 10:40 PM - RE: making goa

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brett - this is a music conservatory you're going to.. or is it just recording? your tracks are all slick but try more intervals or something.

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Message 26/34 07-Mar-02 @ 10:55 PM - RE: making goa

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ther are going to be voacl melodies as backing, so I wanted to keep them thin until we wrok it out.

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Message 27/34 07-Mar-02 @ 11:50 PM - RE: making goa

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xoxos, the conservatory is just for recording and business, they want you to have the music background already. There, I will be studying the art of mixing, the SSL signal chain, protools certification, as well as Waves plug-in and TC-electronics cert, soldering, networking pc and mac, and music business.I have taken piano and theory etc, but need to go much further into harmony and melody. I have a good relationship with the Music director at the junior college here, but working days prevents me from taking classes. I may need to take evening private lessons for piano and music theory. I still have my textbooks from theory that I need to start doing some of the exercises out of. This is why I work with a guy who started making tracks when I did but focused more on writing songs and less on technical. So he writes a lot of the melodies, and I take care of structure, synth programing and mixing. I'll write out a groove and beats then let him arrange and write backing tracks. When you say more intevals, you mean play the same chords just invert them more?
my bigest problem is that when i have the idea in my head, I start hearing the beats etc, and I lose it because I start playing with and editing the sounds. I think I need a tape record the vocal hums and sing into it for constant referance. It works for my sister and her christian music production team.
I have started working out the sounds first then coming back to arange, you may lose the idea by then so the tape may work for me. I am going to pick one up. you can even vocalize out the rytnhms and bass and sweeps then just keep rewinding and playing it until you have the stuff down. I am going to give it a try. I also ordered those perfect pitch cd's from the back mix mag. They have a money back garantee. So if in a few months I am tone deaf, I can send them back. LOL, Later Brett

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Message 28/34 08-Mar-02 @ 04:51 PM - RE: making goa

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Quick word about perfect pitch: a really skilled teacher and musician named Jeff Berlin wrote an article quite awhile back in Bass Player Magazine about Relative Pitch. I don't know where you could find it, but it's a really good piece and very practical. Kinda dispells the 'Perfect Pitch' stigma, and puts things in a useable perspective. Good luck in your studies.

Ape

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Message 29/34 08-Mar-02 @ 05:20 PM - RE: making goa

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hey - phrozensolid@home.com - your mail doesnt work... well all mails sent from this discussion come back to our admin rejected by your mail server.

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Message 30/34 08-Mar-02 @ 09:05 PM - RE: making goa

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thanks ape, apparently there are colors to tones so you can tell them apart. I'll get going and let you guys know if I am improving. I ttok some pitch classes and felt retarded. The teacher would play notes and we had to tell the interval from the first. Like up 3rd, down 2nd etc. All these kids were getting it, and I was like " huh huh..can you play it again"

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Message 31/34 19-Mar-02 @ 04:27 AM - RE: making goa

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ave a listen to
"the infinity project" or "tip world"(xselent)
"code 4"(american)
'JUNO REACTOR" (biggeee")
"man with no name"
some "halucinogen"(sphongle)
"TOTAL ECLIPSE"
goa is a gruve not necessarily with tablas etc
usually 4 onthe floor and using 3/16 repeat
plus various shuffles. and PADS!!!!
commonly called goa cuz all the dudes(usually dj's) who made
it were at the big parties on the beach at goa (portugese india)
(heaps of acid and fluffy music!!!! wicked times shame there gone(sigh!)
anyway lots of them went on to create more wicked tracks back in england france GERMANY and us
the DEA closed the goa gruves
THEN GOA FANNED OUT ACROSS THE WORLD
we had heaps of very similar parties here in nth coast oz in the middle nineties
but never as big as the goa shindigs

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Message 32/34 20-Mar-02 @ 12:59 PM - RE: making goa

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Brett, that's exactly what I'm talking about, being able to feel the distance apart from the notes, and thus getting a better understanding of why the changes in frequencies over time invoke feelings. Good stuff.

Ape

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Message 33/34 20-Mar-02 @ 05:04 PM - RE: making goa

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brett, it just takes practice. you'll get there easy. i don't really visualise colors for tones but i can still usually recognize intervals. after a while they just stick in your head.

then they won't go away. ;)

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Message 34/34 20-Mar-02 @ 05:35 PM - RE: making goa

Brett B

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I never did find any info from Jeff Berlin. Also, I know it's practice and time.

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