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Subject: howdya get them to gell like that?
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Original Message 1/21 03-May-02 @ 09:43 PM - howdya get them to gell like that?
you see, i have problems with getting my beats to gell properly when using hardware. you know: you take a bunch of samples, make a pattern, and do _something_ to it so they all melt together, into one cohesive substance. i´m primarily talking about breakbeat based beats here, meaning bunch of samples grabbed from different sources.
using software, i find this to be no problem. i can put a plugin on a group which will take care of this. my favourites untill now were TC plugs with "soft-sat" function, or PSP mix saturator and vintage warmer plugs.
only thing is, i dont want to be software based. what the hell do i have a sampler for? or maybe i should sell it (i do use it primarily for beats nowadays) and take the soft route for drums?
in case you think i should stick with hardware, what do you suggest? what comp/tube amp/thingamajick does it for you? i´m making good use of my FilterBank, but that is only mono, and i like having things flexible, e.g. not having to resample things several times only to find out that they dont work.
help me! M.
Message 2/21 03-May-02 @ 09:57 PM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
Message 3/21 03-May-02 @ 10:12 PM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
Message 4/21 03-May-02 @ 10:41 PM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
honestly tho? Id really say dump the HW sampler. Not that I ever will, but...it could easily, EASILY be done...and way cheaper, less room taken up, etc.
Message 5/21 03-May-02 @ 10:44 PM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
Message 6/21 03-May-02 @ 10:54 PM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
Message 7/21 04-May-02 @ 12:06 AM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
And ghost snares and hats always help... just some really low, maybe panned snares under your other stuff, making another rhythm subtley underneath the main beat, low velocity.... same with hats.... just be sure to use different snares and hats than you are using for your main beat... This almost always helps my beats to "gel".... but be subtle...
If you dont wanna give the HW, why dont you do your beats in software and import them to your smapler?
Message 8/21 04-May-02 @ 01:58 AM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
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Message 9/21 04-May-02 @ 03:28 AM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
i´ll have to re-read all of this tomorrow when my braincells reconnect.
thans all! M.
Message 10/21 04-May-02 @ 05:06 AM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
Message 12/21 04-May-02 @ 08:29 AM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
Message 13/21 04-May-02 @ 05:12 PM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
put all kinds of rollin' little tppity tappity shit in close with your snares and kicks. Shift'em back and forth and stuff- they really give it a shuffly cohesive sort of rythm.
Message 14/21 04-May-02 @ 08:32 PM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
Message 15/21 05-May-02 @ 12:44 PM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
Here's another thing that everybody probably knows but I just discovered. :[ although it's very dicey. Take a reverb with a very short tail and little or no early reference. A "small room" reverb might be a good starting point. Bring the level IN THE REVERB UNIT up into the clipping zone. Then adjust the mix ratio. You probably want it just a little wet. Seems to give a slightly different effect than simply clipping the drum. I can imagine this effect in some styles of d'n'b. It might be too dirty for breakbeats. I don't know.
Message 16/21 05-May-02 @ 08:25 PM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
Message 17/21 05-May-02 @ 09:31 PM Edit: 05-May-02 | 09:32 PM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
unfortunately, i still got better results quicker with s/w. might have something to with not having all the samples strewn around different banks... oh well.
some cool tips here, especially the last one from sitar. who would´ve thought ;)
if anyone else comes up with a cool tip, feel free to post it
cheers, M.
Message 18/21 05-May-02 @ 09:31 PM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
Ape
Message 19/21 06-May-02 @ 04:28 PM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
I read sitar's tip yesterday and tried it, but I think I did something wrong cos it sounded like a human beatbox. I'm putting up a sample.. it's actually pretty cool.. I think. It's very distorted indeed.. maybe that's all really listen to it, ok?
Message 20/21 06-May-02 @ 10:42 PM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
:P
Message 21/21 06-May-02 @ 11:31 PM - RE: howdya get them to gell like that?
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